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		<title>By: krishna</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-112477</link>
		<dc:creator>krishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a few outgoing links on my site - they are not &quot;paid for&quot; links.

Do i need to put in the nofollow attribute ??

If there is no &quot;nofollow&quot; - does google assume that i am getting paid for those links..

yes or no.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few outgoing links on my site &#8211; they are not &#8220;paid for&#8221; links.</p>
<p>Do i need to put in the nofollow attribute ??</p>
<p>If there is no &#8220;nofollow&#8221; &#8211; does google assume that i am getting paid for those links..</p>
<p>yes or no.</p>
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		<title>By: Domain</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-108762</link>
		<dc:creator>Domain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That seems pretty messed up that an SEO would sell traffic to a competitor. At first, I very much so feel that at the very most, the SEO should have done nothing, but stop it, even that... Well, everyone has their own tactics, but for &quot;punishing&quot; a business so severely...

I suppose MySpace would sell their Advertising traffic to whoever pays most and first too though, I&#039;m sure Yahoo or MSN wouldn&#039;t mind getting their hands on MySpace if Google forgot the &quot;rent.&quot; Maybe that&#039;s not wrong, what would MySpace be to do, cancel all advertising to wait for their old time homie to come back, because the memoires were so sweet?

Friendship works both ways, if the client isn&#039;t courteous enough to pay on time, why should the SEOptimizer be any better? You can be nice in business, but just as in life, people will try to stab you in the ribs and sell your kindness for drugs, then overdose, making you murdered and an unsuspecting accessory to accidential euthanasia. It&#039;s so hard to be nice these days, but I believe it&#039;s the right way, so I try anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That seems pretty messed up that an SEO would sell traffic to a competitor. At first, I very much so feel that at the very most, the SEO should have done nothing, but stop it, even that&#8230; Well, everyone has their own tactics, but for &#8220;punishing&#8221; a business so severely&#8230;</p>
<p>I suppose MySpace would sell their Advertising traffic to whoever pays most and first too though, I&#8217;m sure Yahoo or MSN wouldn&#8217;t mind getting their hands on MySpace if Google forgot the &#8220;rent.&#8221; Maybe that&#8217;s not wrong, what would MySpace be to do, cancel all advertising to wait for their old time homie to come back, because the memoires were so sweet?</p>
<p>Friendship works both ways, if the client isn&#8217;t courteous enough to pay on time, why should the SEOptimizer be any better? You can be nice in business, but just as in life, people will try to stab you in the ribs and sell your kindness for drugs, then overdose, making you murdered and an unsuspecting accessory to accidential euthanasia. It&#8217;s so hard to be nice these days, but I believe it&#8217;s the right way, so I try anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-87868</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know what business school some of you people went to. Personally, if I put my own time and money into optimizing a site about blue widgets and it begins to receive traffic from (you know who) and I decide to redirect that traffic to another blue widget site that is willing to pay for it, well isn&#039;t this still a capitalist country? And if that person decides not to pay for it anymore why should I not sell it to a competitor? This is Business 101
Would you do the same with a popular phone number?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what business school some of you people went to. Personally, if I put my own time and money into optimizing a site about blue widgets and it begins to receive traffic from (you know who) and I decide to redirect that traffic to another blue widget site that is willing to pay for it, well isn&#8217;t this still a capitalist country? And if that person decides not to pay for it anymore why should I not sell it to a competitor? This is Business 101<br />
Would you do the same with a popular phone number?</p>
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		<title>By: vary</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-14607</link>
		<dc:creator>vary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doese it means the search engine will check the domain&#039;s owners before index it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doese it means the search engine will check the domain&#8217;s owners before index it?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott M. Stolz</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-14348</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott M. Stolz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I got a call from one of those, twice, same lady.  She almost crapped her pants when I showed her all of our important websites already rank highly and I told her that we don&#039;t do any SEO at all.  We just put up content that helps our users and hope people will keep visiting and linking to us.  And we have been rewarded by Google and others for actually having a quality website, as well as visitors who tell others about us. :)

There are so many people trying to trick the system.  If they would just build a good website, they might have some better long-term success.  But I guess that would take too much work, huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I got a call from one of those, twice, same lady.  She almost crapped her pants when I showed her all of our important websites already rank highly and I told her that we don&#8217;t do any SEO at all.  We just put up content that helps our users and hope people will keep visiting and linking to us.  And we have been rewarded by Google and others for actually having a quality website, as well as visitors who tell others about us. <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are so many people trying to trick the system.  If they would just build a good website, they might have some better long-term success.  But I guess that would take too much work, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: RedSheriff</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-13971</link>
		<dc:creator>RedSheriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Matt,
what do you think about nofollow attribute.

I&#039;ve one main domain with some sub domain. What happen if I link them reciprocal or in a other pattern?

I want address my visitor without to be banned... in a ethical manner
Please can u tell me any suggestion?

Sorry for my bad english.
Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matt,<br />
what do you think about nofollow attribute.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve one main domain with some sub domain. What happen if I link them reciprocal or in a other pattern?</p>
<p>I want address my visitor without to be banned&#8230; in a ethical manner<br />
Please can u tell me any suggestion?</p>
<p>Sorry for my bad english.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Chung</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-8193</link>
		<dc:creator>Chung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info Mikkel that just cleared my thoughts lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Mikkel that just cleared my thoughts lol</p>
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		<title>By: pops</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>pops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 04:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sounds like tr*ffic logic.  but mikkel is right.  clients want no risk cost per click seo.  no risk, no reward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like tr*ffic logic.  but mikkel is right.  clients want no risk cost per click seo.  no risk, no reward.</p>
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		<title>By: Amish</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Amish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post Mikkel.. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Mikkel.. <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel deMib Svendsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-other-domains/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel deMib Svendsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, although I understand your frustration there seems to a be a number of things related to this sort of services that you apparently don&#039;t understand. I will be happy to explain them in more details to you next time I see you (or drop me an email) but some of the basics are:

1) The request for this sort of service (and similar) is HUGE - most often fueled by the major media-agencies (non-SEO) and large marketing departments that have very limited, or no way at all, to make even the slightest changes to their websites. I know they would probably be able to easily rank well for a lot of the phrases that is sold to them on external promotion domains if only they did not have to deal with a 18 month implementation time, 10 lawyers to approve everything and a bunch of old-school editors that don&#039;t think you need to actually use the words in your texts that people search for! So what should they do? Oh yes, I know, buy AdWords, right? :) Oh, but wait, they want to be in the organic results too (ya know, that spot in the middle that still drive about 2/3rds of the click throughs...) and Google don&#039;t offer any PFI. So tell me again, should they just give up on it or &quot;fight&quot;? What do companies usually do? Sit back, pray and hope for the best? ;) 

2) This kind of service is often sold with a 100% transparency so the client, up front, knows exactly what he is getting and paying for. I personally hate sneaky telemarketers too but that, in itself, has nothing to do with the service-type - that’s a question of sales-, business- and client-ethics. I think you&#039;d be surprise to learn how many of the companies that sell this sort of services that are actually highly ethical when it comes to their relationships with clients. You just never see those companies in the press - and articles like the one you linked to – but you DO meet them around the many conferences you attend, Matt – I know that for a fact hehe.

3) Selling traffic is nothing new - Google does that too. In fact, many publishers do. If you buy a keyword with AdWords you can tap into that traffic. The second you stop paying the traffic stops and your competitors can gain it. There is nothing wrong or unethical about that in itself. To me, it comes down to business ethics again. If you pay someone (an SEO) a fixed fee to build you a website and get it ranked I agree that you should own the result - the domain and the pages, but if you pay a raw CPC for the traffic that comes from the work done (by the SEO - or AdWords) then I don&#039;t think you have the rights to anything after you stop paying. That is true for AdWords as well as any other CPC (or other performance-) based marketing. To me, it&#039;s a question of honestly, transparency and not trying to hide to your clients what they actually get and pay for. 

4) It is a common misconception that CPC models in organic SEO always have to leave the ownership of the domain used in the hands of the SEO (I know you, Matt, are not making that direct conclusion here, though). When I’ve been providing services like this I have always offered the client the option to own the domain. It does off course have a price and a pure CPC model usually doesn’t wok for this. Also, CPC models are sometimes implemented directly on the client’s site. For example, we start out measuring the average SE-traffic to a client’s site and then agree on a CPC on all the extra SE-traffic we can drive from optimizing their own site. Again, everything we do on the site will be 100% transparent and usually done with a great deal of involvement from the client’s engineers. Sometimes we go even further and charge based on conversions and sales rather than CPC. Such deals come at a price, though. I may be a SEO but I am not stupid :) If I help companies make lots of money you can be sure I will contract my fair piece of the cake but I don’t see how that is more unethical than any other solid business in the world.


Also, I think there are a few stupid comments made in the article you reference, such as:

&quot;With all due respect to the size of this company, I found it hard to believe that they could service the numerous SEO clients they were recruiting in a very meaningful way.&quot;

What? How can you conclude that a large company will give less good service than a small one. Does that mean Google with AdWords, being much larger, is even worse? Off course not! Does it mean that McKenzie and other large consulting firms are not any good? Off course not! Some small companies are really good. Some large ones are too. Look at the quality of what you get instead of just the size… What is it with people and that size obsession ...? :)


Anyway, sorry for the long post – I guess that’s what happens when you get up too early on a Sunday morning …]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, although I understand your frustration there seems to a be a number of things related to this sort of services that you apparently don&#8217;t understand. I will be happy to explain them in more details to you next time I see you (or drop me an email) but some of the basics are:</p>
<p>1) The request for this sort of service (and similar) is HUGE &#8211; most often fueled by the major media-agencies (non-SEO) and large marketing departments that have very limited, or no way at all, to make even the slightest changes to their websites. I know they would probably be able to easily rank well for a lot of the phrases that is sold to them on external promotion domains if only they did not have to deal with a 18 month implementation time, 10 lawyers to approve everything and a bunch of old-school editors that don&#8217;t think you need to actually use the words in your texts that people search for! So what should they do? Oh yes, I know, buy AdWords, right? <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Oh, but wait, they want to be in the organic results too (ya know, that spot in the middle that still drive about 2/3rds of the click throughs&#8230;) and Google don&#8217;t offer any PFI. So tell me again, should they just give up on it or &#8220;fight&#8221;? What do companies usually do? Sit back, pray and hope for the best? <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>2) This kind of service is often sold with a 100% transparency so the client, up front, knows exactly what he is getting and paying for. I personally hate sneaky telemarketers too but that, in itself, has nothing to do with the service-type &#8211; that’s a question of sales-, business- and client-ethics. I think you&#8217;d be surprise to learn how many of the companies that sell this sort of services that are actually highly ethical when it comes to their relationships with clients. You just never see those companies in the press &#8211; and articles like the one you linked to – but you DO meet them around the many conferences you attend, Matt – I know that for a fact hehe.</p>
<p>3) Selling traffic is nothing new &#8211; Google does that too. In fact, many publishers do. If you buy a keyword with AdWords you can tap into that traffic. The second you stop paying the traffic stops and your competitors can gain it. There is nothing wrong or unethical about that in itself. To me, it comes down to business ethics again. If you pay someone (an SEO) a fixed fee to build you a website and get it ranked I agree that you should own the result &#8211; the domain and the pages, but if you pay a raw CPC for the traffic that comes from the work done (by the SEO &#8211; or AdWords) then I don&#8217;t think you have the rights to anything after you stop paying. That is true for AdWords as well as any other CPC (or other performance-) based marketing. To me, it&#8217;s a question of honestly, transparency and not trying to hide to your clients what they actually get and pay for. </p>
<p>4) It is a common misconception that CPC models in organic SEO always have to leave the ownership of the domain used in the hands of the SEO (I know you, Matt, are not making that direct conclusion here, though). When I’ve been providing services like this I have always offered the client the option to own the domain. It does off course have a price and a pure CPC model usually doesn’t wok for this. Also, CPC models are sometimes implemented directly on the client’s site. For example, we start out measuring the average SE-traffic to a client’s site and then agree on a CPC on all the extra SE-traffic we can drive from optimizing their own site. Again, everything we do on the site will be 100% transparent and usually done with a great deal of involvement from the client’s engineers. Sometimes we go even further and charge based on conversions and sales rather than CPC. Such deals come at a price, though. I may be a SEO but I am not stupid <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If I help companies make lots of money you can be sure I will contract my fair piece of the cake but I don’t see how that is more unethical than any other solid business in the world.</p>
<p>Also, I think there are a few stupid comments made in the article you reference, such as:</p>
<p>&#8220;With all due respect to the size of this company, I found it hard to believe that they could service the numerous SEO clients they were recruiting in a very meaningful way.&#8221;</p>
<p>What? How can you conclude that a large company will give less good service than a small one. Does that mean Google with AdWords, being much larger, is even worse? Off course not! Does it mean that McKenzie and other large consulting firms are not any good? Off course not! Some small companies are really good. Some large ones are too. Look at the quality of what you get instead of just the size… What is it with people and that size obsession &#8230;? <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, sorry for the long post – I guess that’s what happens when you get up too early on a Sunday morning …</p>
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