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		<title>By: Mickelodian</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-351925</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickelodian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Okay I know you are well sick of &#039;erm but what if...grey areas&#039; examples but I think mine is a little different.

Our client has an issue. The site is hosted in Ireland with a .com TLD. Google has more or less decided that the site is of Irish origin serving the Irish market. The site is returned well for search from the Irish datacenter but may as well be invisible in the UK where their real market is. For technical reasons the client cannot migrate the site because the back end is situated in their offices and the front end is attached to it bespokely and hosted on an Irish server. A lot of work went into making sure that is secure and useable. 

Now, here lies the tricky bit... the clients app is well known... it gets pretty good backlinks and amazingly these are not paid or sought they are really good organic ones and growing. Just the way mother used to make! But every backlink I fear is re-enforceing the &#039;IRISH SITE, IRISH MARKET&#039; visablity on google.

The client really needs to appear in the UK and our suggestion was for them to use their .co.uk TLD and build another site to service the uk and this would only revert to the .com during a search on the site or when users start through the conversion funnel...

the problem with this suggestion is that the new site (and it would be a full 30-40 page site) is that there might be no difference between this as a legitimate site and what might be constued as basically a doorway site.

Can you give at least some form of guidence here ... I&#039;m a 100% white hat SEO. I help people who have put obsticles in the way of their own site and what might be otherwise good visability on the SE&#039;s but I will not advise a client to do anything which would have a negative impact on their presence long term.

Mickelodian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Okay I know you are well sick of &#8216;erm but what if&#8230;grey areas&#8217; examples but I think mine is a little different.</p>
<p>Our client has an issue. The site is hosted in Ireland with a .com TLD. Google has more or less decided that the site is of Irish origin serving the Irish market. The site is returned well for search from the Irish datacenter but may as well be invisible in the UK where their real market is. For technical reasons the client cannot migrate the site because the back end is situated in their offices and the front end is attached to it bespokely and hosted on an Irish server. A lot of work went into making sure that is secure and useable. </p>
<p>Now, here lies the tricky bit&#8230; the clients app is well known&#8230; it gets pretty good backlinks and amazingly these are not paid or sought they are really good organic ones and growing. Just the way mother used to make! But every backlink I fear is re-enforceing the &#8216;IRISH SITE, IRISH MARKET&#8217; visablity on google.</p>
<p>The client really needs to appear in the UK and our suggestion was for them to use their .co.uk TLD and build another site to service the uk and this would only revert to the .com during a search on the site or when users start through the conversion funnel&#8230;</p>
<p>the problem with this suggestion is that the new site (and it would be a full 30-40 page site) is that there might be no difference between this as a legitimate site and what might be constued as basically a doorway site.</p>
<p>Can you give at least some form of guidence here &#8230; I&#8217;m a 100% white hat SEO. I help people who have put obsticles in the way of their own site and what might be otherwise good visability on the SE&#8217;s but I will not advise a client to do anything which would have a negative impact on their presence long term.</p>
<p>Mickelodian</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-339812</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am starting SEO on a new client in the diamond industry and came across this:

www.twinkle-diamonds.adta.net.au/

This is part of &#039;directory&#039; website which rents out subdomains. There are quite a few of these in Australia, and I have seen them marketed successfully above other (real) websites.

Does this count as spam? I know that spam is in the eye of the beholder, but it certainly looks like spam to me. If so, what category do I need to report it under?

Also, @Why does someone wants to rent you mail server?

Probably to send out copious amounts of spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am starting SEO on a new client in the diamond industry and came across this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.twinkle-diamonds.adta.net.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.twinkle-diamonds.adta.net.au/</a></p>
<p>This is part of &#8216;directory&#8217; website which rents out subdomains. There are quite a few of these in Australia, and I have seen them marketed successfully above other (real) websites.</p>
<p>Does this count as spam? I know that spam is in the eye of the beholder, but it certainly looks like spam to me. If so, what category do I need to report it under?</p>
<p>Also, @Why does someone wants to rent you mail server?</p>
<p>Probably to send out copious amounts of spam.</p>
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		<title>By: Makina</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-114258</link>
		<dc:creator>Makina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does someone wants to rent you mail server?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does someone wants to rent you mail server?</p>
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		<title>By: Quetivity</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-88763</link>
		<dc:creator>Quetivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This usually only has an impact on the domain name, IP relevance does not matter in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This usually only has an impact on the domain name, IP relevance does not matter in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Sohaib</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-24632</link>
		<dc:creator>Sohaib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 07:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about hosting such website on web servers, as in a web hosting company hosting such pages, lots of hosts have hundreds of websites and it would be hard to track all sites, would it harm the web hosting main site if they are all hosted under the same IP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about hosting such website on web servers, as in a web hosting company hosting such pages, lots of hosts have hundreds of websites and it would be hard to track all sites, would it harm the web hosting main site if they are all hosted under the same IP?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-20789</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you are going to clamp down on bought links, advertorials and such like - does this not lead to a situation where friends in high places and nepotism start to influence the SERPs.

You end up with -

John whose brother works in a big department of majoruniversity.edu and can call up a favour from his brother in terms of a link from majoruniversity.edu 

has a massive advantage over

Jack who comes from a very ordinary hard working family with no connections.

even if Jack&#039;s site is the better site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you are going to clamp down on bought links, advertorials and such like &#8211; does this not lead to a situation where friends in high places and nepotism start to influence the SERPs.</p>
<p>You end up with -</p>
<p>John whose brother works in a big department of majoruniversity.edu and can call up a favour from his brother in terms of a link from majoruniversity.edu </p>
<p>has a massive advantage over</p>
<p>Jack who comes from a very ordinary hard working family with no connections.</p>
<p>even if Jack&#8217;s site is the better site.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-20762</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is frustrating. Does this go for pre sell pages? I only ask because I&#039;ve read on text linkbrokers that these are very good methods. Was going to make a purchase soon, but I guess I am advised to stay away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is frustrating. Does this go for pre sell pages? I only ask because I&#8217;ve read on text linkbrokers that these are very good methods. Was going to make a purchase soon, but I guess I am advised to stay away?</p>
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		<title>By: nuevojefe</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-19662</link>
		<dc:creator>nuevojefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...there goes forbes.com. Damn, such a good source of info on their &quot;own&quot; pages... Well, good thing they&#039;ve got an easy to remember domain and some offline marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;there goes forbes.com. Damn, such a good source of info on their &#8220;own&#8221; pages&#8230; Well, good thing they&#8217;ve got an easy to remember domain and some offline marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-19565</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: &quot;Seems if I found that page in the search results, I would be upset if I found nothing about that keyword on the page.&quot;

You mean you found it via &quot;SEO Services&quot;? If so, I would be content as that is what the page is about, as are the links on it.


RE: &quot;And what do you mean by being the king of deception? Is that a shot? Lets take this outside&quot;

Sorry, my bad. I had you confused with another John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;Seems if I found that page in the search results, I would be upset if I found nothing about that keyword on the page.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean you found it via &#8220;SEO Services&#8221;? If so, I would be content as that is what the page is about, as are the links on it.</p>
<p>RE: &#8220;And what do you mean by being the king of deception? Is that a shot? Lets take this outside&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, my bad. I had you confused with another John.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnC</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-hosted-doorway-pages/#comment-19549</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the keywords as the page name that makes me ask the question, it is listing keywords to pages that have no content related to them.  Seems if I found that page in the search results, I would be upset if I found nothing about that keyword on the page.

And what do you mean by being the king of deception?  Is that a shot?  Lets take this outside.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the keywords as the page name that makes me ask the question, it is listing keywords to pages that have no content related to them.  Seems if I found that page in the search results, I would be upset if I found nothing about that keyword on the page.</p>
<p>And what do you mean by being the king of deception?  Is that a shot?  Lets take this outside.  <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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