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	<title>Comments on: Why I disagree with Privacy International</title>
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		<title>By: Patrik</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-155769</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to be honest: My reply would have been different if you hadn&#039;t posted the information regarding how AOL, msn and the others &quot;leak and treat&quot; user queries.

I know google&#039;s motto is &quot;don&#039;t do evil&quot;, but looking at the raw information (&quot;user-tracking via cookies&quot;, &quot;anonymization only after 18-24 months&quot;, etc.) who&#039;s first impression wouldn&#039;t be that he or she is under surveilance? After all, google is THE leading search engine and I don&#039;t know any &quot;normal&quot; person in Germany that is not using google for their queries (most people don&#039;t even know there are other search engines out there).

If you have such a massive impact on the market, you&#039;ll probably have to deal with these kinds of thoughts - though it does seem unfair that AOL, msn and the others get better grades while leaking data...

I just wish google was more specific of what exactly was stored on their servers and in which way this data was used, interpreted (and possibly sold).

Anyway, apart from all the criticism, I&#039;d probably lack a lot of knowledge without google... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to be honest: My reply would have been different if you hadn&#8217;t posted the information regarding how AOL, msn and the others &#8220;leak and treat&#8221; user queries.</p>
<p>I know google&#8217;s motto is &#8220;don&#8217;t do evil&#8221;, but looking at the raw information (&#8221;user-tracking via cookies&#8221;, &#8220;anonymization only after 18-24 months&#8221;, etc.) who&#8217;s first impression wouldn&#8217;t be that he or she is under surveilance? After all, google is THE leading search engine and I don&#8217;t know any &#8220;normal&#8221; person in Germany that is not using google for their queries (most people don&#8217;t even know there are other search engines out there).</p>
<p>If you have such a massive impact on the market, you&#8217;ll probably have to deal with these kinds of thoughts &#8211; though it does seem unfair that AOL, msn and the others get better grades while leaking data&#8230;</p>
<p>I just wish google was more specific of what exactly was stored on their servers and in which way this data was used, interpreted (and possibly sold).</p>
<p>Anyway, apart from all the criticism, I&#8217;d probably lack a lot of knowledge without google&#8230; <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Can Erdonmez</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-134437</link>
		<dc:creator>Can Erdonmez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot imagine that Google can continue to make enough money from advertising to a user like me through services like GMail to actually cover the cost of providing that service for free.

If I&#039;m right, Google will have to start selling user data (if they are not already) in one form or another; with time and shareholder pressure, there is a real risk that there will be a slippery slope leading to abuse.

I&#039;d actually be happy to pay as an individual user for GMail/Calendar/Reader etc. in return for iron-clad guarantees about privacy and only reasonable guarantees about data integrity.

Can (~John)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot imagine that Google can continue to make enough money from advertising to a user like me through services like GMail to actually cover the cost of providing that service for free.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m right, Google will have to start selling user data (if they are not already) in one form or another; with time and shareholder pressure, there is a real risk that there will be a slippery slope leading to abuse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually be happy to pay as an individual user for GMail/Calendar/Reader etc. in return for iron-clad guarantees about privacy and only reasonable guarantees about data integrity.</p>
<p>Can (~John)</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-132940</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just wondering--is there a way that an outside entity can verify the anonymization of logs you refer to above?  This would mean a lot to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering&#8211;is there a way that an outside entity can verify the anonymization of logs you refer to above?  This would mean a lot to me.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-129593</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does all this privacy talk and Google make me a bit paranoid?
I recently came over this article, and I must say, that it does sound a bit scary.
http://www.norrishell.com/google-is-illuminati/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does all this privacy talk and Google make me a bit paranoid?<br />
I recently came over this article, and I must say, that it does sound a bit scary.<br />
<a href="http://www.norrishell.com/google-is-illuminati/" rel="nofollow">http://www.norrishell.com/google-is-illuminati/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-122942</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using Google since 1999. Tried everything I could find at the Google Labs. Was among the first ones to get a Gmail invite, also got a few people to switch. But as I&#039;m writing this I&#039;m downloading my mail from Gmail. I&#039;ll get another address at another service, I don&#039;t trust you anymore.

I think it would be safe to say I once was a Google fanboy, thought you were better than others. Perhaps this was naive. But I realized when you caved in to the Chinese censors that you don&#039;t resent ill begotten cash. I never cared what others did, because I didn&#039;t use other search engines. You said you do no evil, I did not expect this. But I got it the first time.

It took me some looking around, but I&#039;ve found another e-mail service. Tried it out for a few months. It&#039;s a paid service with bells and whistles, but what really matters is that the company is reputable.

Other Google tools such as Docs &amp; Spreadsheets I never really needed. Tools for webmasters I&#039;ll need to keep using. Web searching; well I&#039;m using Tor, but I&#039;d want a service I didn&#039;t see the need to access this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using Google since 1999. Tried everything I could find at the Google Labs. Was among the first ones to get a Gmail invite, also got a few people to switch. But as I&#8217;m writing this I&#8217;m downloading my mail from Gmail. I&#8217;ll get another address at another service, I don&#8217;t trust you anymore.</p>
<p>I think it would be safe to say I once was a Google fanboy, thought you were better than others. Perhaps this was naive. But I realized when you caved in to the Chinese censors that you don&#8217;t resent ill begotten cash. I never cared what others did, because I didn&#8217;t use other search engines. You said you do no evil, I did not expect this. But I got it the first time.</p>
<p>It took me some looking around, but I&#8217;ve found another e-mail service. Tried it out for a few months. It&#8217;s a paid service with bells and whistles, but what really matters is that the company is reputable.</p>
<p>Other Google tools such as Docs &amp; Spreadsheets I never really needed. Tools for webmasters I&#8217;ll need to keep using. Web searching; well I&#8217;m using Tor, but I&#8217;d want a service I didn&#8217;t see the need to access this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-122707</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good read and good points my friend :) wonderful! the only problem i have with google is finding a email link to report issues. could you maybe email me a link to report security issues? i&#039;ve been looking all over for an hour... thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good read and good points my friend <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  wonderful! the only problem i have with google is finding a email link to report issues. could you maybe email me a link to report security issues? i&#8217;ve been looking all over for an hour&#8230; thanks</p>
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		<title>By: chuckles the clown</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-120392</link>
		<dc:creator>chuckles the clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, I just linked to this blog after searching for articles or websites about privacy and information collection in general.  I am not a computer expert. 

Have you ever visited Google-Watch.org?  Do you think their accusations are accurate?  

I think my own opinion is that technology allows anyone to collect as much information as they want and use it as they want.  Google can say they are &quot;anonymizing&quot; logs but are they really?  

Also: there are plenty of companies that collect information such as Choicepoint, Acxiom, etc.  These companies are probably worse offenders than Google, but their main biz is not the internet.  As far as I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, I just linked to this blog after searching for articles or websites about privacy and information collection in general.  I am not a computer expert. </p>
<p>Have you ever visited Google-Watch.org?  Do you think their accusations are accurate?  </p>
<p>I think my own opinion is that technology allows anyone to collect as much information as they want and use it as they want.  Google can say they are &#8220;anonymizing&#8221; logs but are they really?  </p>
<p>Also: there are plenty of companies that collect information such as Choicepoint, Acxiom, etc.  These companies are probably worse offenders than Google, but their main biz is not the internet.  As far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-113927</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone including other search engines are just jealous of Google&#039;s success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone including other search engines are just jealous of Google&#8217;s success.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-108750</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting reading.

I recently wrote an article for my blog about the Big Three...  Google, Microsoft, and eBay...   called &quot;100% Microsoft-free by 2008&quot; ( http://brucewagner.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/100-microsoft-free-by-2008/ )

I&#039;ve just added some excerpts from some of your comments here...  Thanks, people.

Privacy is the issue.  

Google is not a search engine anymore.  
eBay is not an auction site anymore.  
Microsoft is not a software publisher anymore.

A CHALLENGE FOR YOU: 

Just TRY living without using any of the tools of these three Big Brother-like companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting reading.</p>
<p>I recently wrote an article for my blog about the Big Three&#8230;  Google, Microsoft, and eBay&#8230;   called &#8220;100% Microsoft-free by 2008&#8243; ( <a href="http://brucewagner.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/100-microsoft-free-by-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://brucewagner.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/100-microsoft-free-by-2008/</a> )</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just added some excerpts from some of your comments here&#8230;  Thanks, people.</p>
<p>Privacy is the issue.  </p>
<p>Google is not a search engine anymore.<br />
eBay is not an auction site anymore.<br />
Microsoft is not a software publisher anymore.</p>
<p>A CHALLENGE FOR YOU: </p>
<p>Just TRY living without using any of the tools of these three Big Brother-like companies.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/privacy-international-loses-all-credibility/#comment-107253</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. I am a big Google fan, and so I was pretty shocked by the report. I read it, and your article, and I have to agree that their arguments are hollow and specious. Google seems to get slammed for having a consistent policy on privacy that PI does not see as good enough, whereas everyone else gets off the hook for not having a privacy policy at all! I&#039;m just glad that this report seems to not have hurt Google&#039;s public image too much. Keep up the good work. You guys make some great software!

This is the first news I&#039;ve heard about PI. Are they well known? I wonder how much attention they&#039;ve earned by slamming Google, and if this earns them a position (in some people&#039;s eyes) as the only iconoclasts brave enough to cast doubt on a Sacred Cow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. I am a big Google fan, and so I was pretty shocked by the report. I read it, and your article, and I have to agree that their arguments are hollow and specious. Google seems to get slammed for having a consistent policy on privacy that PI does not see as good enough, whereas everyone else gets off the hook for not having a privacy policy at all! I&#8217;m just glad that this report seems to not have hurt Google&#8217;s public image too much. Keep up the good work. You guys make some great software!</p>
<p>This is the first news I&#8217;ve heard about PI. Are they well known? I wonder how much attention they&#8217;ve earned by slamming Google, and if this earns them a position (in some people&#8217;s eyes) as the only iconoclasts brave enough to cast doubt on a Sacred Cow.</p>
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