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		<title>By: Matt Cutts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEOdiot, you were doing on-page SEO for the German company and you had no idea whatsoever what was going on in the backlinks of that German company?

Also, to the German webmasters and SEOs out there: don&#039;t fear the Linkzar. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEOdiot, you were doing on-page SEO for the German company and you had no idea whatsoever what was going on in the backlinks of that German company?</p>
<p>Also, to the German webmasters and SEOs out there: don&#8217;t fear the Linkzar. <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-265003</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Matt, it is very honourable that google believes in punishing itself in the same way as all other sites in the index although there are some fair points made here.  However, I will definitely sit with google for penalising German sites that buy links from Russian sites in order to improve PR.  I mean, how stupid can you get and if you&#039;ve lost business by doing that, that&#039;s tough because you shouldn&#039;t have bought the links in the first place.

I do have a minor issue that is reflected in some requests, re-consideration of penalties need to be improved and contact webmasters who have google webmaster accounts about penalties would also help!

One other thing, I&#039;ve reported endless sites foir buying links and none of them get penalised, does google even look at these?

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Matt, it is very honourable that google believes in punishing itself in the same way as all other sites in the index although there are some fair points made here.  However, I will definitely sit with google for penalising German sites that buy links from Russian sites in order to improve PR.  I mean, how stupid can you get and if you&#8217;ve lost business by doing that, that&#8217;s tough because you shouldn&#8217;t have bought the links in the first place.</p>
<p>I do have a minor issue that is reflected in some requests, re-consideration of penalties need to be improved and contact webmasters who have google webmaster accounts about penalties would also help!</p>
<p>One other thing, I&#8217;ve reported endless sites foir buying links and none of them get penalised, does google even look at these?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-261146</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously?

A PR reduction of 4 wow, big whoop. My blog has been blown out of the results by Google, i search for &quot;mydomain.com title of page&quot; and i&#039;m nowhere amongst just a few hundred results.

What comes up before me? Guestbook spam that doesn&#039;t even have my domain, sites that have scraped my feed snippets and link back to me, sites labeled as &quot;Malware may harm your computer&quot; etc.

I posted on Google Webmaster help, everyone tore my site to shreds and the only problem was 2 errors in my CSS (xHTML is Strict Valid) and there is 3 sites my friend owns on the same IP linking to mine because they get related traffic.

Matt, how about you knock 4 PR points off my PR5 and give me my rankings back instead of directing people to malware and guestbook spam who are trying to find any of my content?

Google fair? Yeah right, i also find it humorous Google is completely destroying user experience to penalize me for a couple of links. Well.. No i will not remove them, if someone i know in real life wants to link to me so be it Google&#039;s the one looking bad going by the many comments from people looking for my site.

So, have a great day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?</p>
<p>A PR reduction of 4 wow, big whoop. My blog has been blown out of the results by Google, i search for &#8220;mydomain.com title of page&#8221; and i&#8217;m nowhere amongst just a few hundred results.</p>
<p>What comes up before me? Guestbook spam that doesn&#8217;t even have my domain, sites that have scraped my feed snippets and link back to me, sites labeled as &#8220;Malware may harm your computer&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>I posted on Google Webmaster help, everyone tore my site to shreds and the only problem was 2 errors in my CSS (xHTML is Strict Valid) and there is 3 sites my friend owns on the same IP linking to mine because they get related traffic.</p>
<p>Matt, how about you knock 4 PR points off my PR5 and give me my rankings back instead of directing people to malware and guestbook spam who are trying to find any of my content?</p>
<p>Google fair? Yeah right, i also find it humorous Google is completely destroying user experience to penalize me for a couple of links. Well.. No i will not remove them, if someone i know in real life wants to link to me so be it Google&#8217;s the one looking bad going by the many comments from people looking for my site.</p>
<p>So, have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave (original)</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-255510</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave (original)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;including its own PageRank and thus its rankings in Google.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Why would they care about ranking in Google when they ARE a SE of Google? BTW, they still have the number 1 spot for the handful that actually DO search for Google Japan.

The only thing worse that NOT taking action, is to pretend to take action and thinking it will fool the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>including its own PageRank and thus its rankings in Google.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why would they care about ranking in Google when they ARE a SE of Google? BTW, they still have the number 1 spot for the handful that actually DO search for Google Japan.</p>
<p>The only thing worse that NOT taking action, is to pretend to take action and thinking it will fool the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ankur</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-255457</link>
		<dc:creator>Ankur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gathered, this was to push results on to Y! pages, not G&#039;s.  

So with that said, did Google.jp talk to Y! and apologize for not playing well with others?  

Seems like the only credible thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gathered, this was to push results on to Y! pages, not G&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>So with that said, did Google.jp talk to Y! and apologize for not playing well with others?  </p>
<p>Seems like the only credible thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-254983</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google should have taken stern actions against google.co.jp, because only SEOs and web marketing executives know about PR, normal google users don&#039;t know anything about PR. They don&#039;t even install google toolbar. These things are used and known by little bunch of people. To remain trusted by normal people, google should have done something more than just reducing PR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google should have taken stern actions against google.co.jp, because only SEOs and web marketing executives know about PR, normal google users don&#8217;t know anything about PR. They don&#8217;t even install google toolbar. These things are used and known by little bunch of people. To remain trusted by normal people, google should have done something more than just reducing PR.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Cutts</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-254853</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Cutts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When you say “ripple effects for google.co.jp where we lose trust in the links for that domain” - do you mean all the sites linking to google.co.jp will lose trust (albeit a very small amount I imagine) or do you mean the sites that google.co.jp is linking out to will lose trust?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Certainly at least the latter, Tom, which in turn can affect google.co.jp in various ways, including its own PageRank and thus its rankings in Google.

&quot;Is that true, reduction in page rank from 9 to 5 ?&quot;

That&#039;s correct, Narendra.s.v.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When you say “ripple effects for google.co.jp where we lose trust in the links for that domain” &#8211; do you mean all the sites linking to google.co.jp will lose trust (albeit a very small amount I imagine) or do you mean the sites that google.co.jp is linking out to will lose trust?</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly at least the latter, Tom, which in turn can affect google.co.jp in various ways, including its own PageRank and thus its rankings in Google.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is that true, reduction in page rank from 9 to 5 ?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s correct, Narendra.s.v.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian B</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-252894</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reconsideration request is interesting.  Perhaps you can talk a bit more about this?   I recently purchased a domain name that I have wanted for about 10 years - it was held by a CPC domain squatter and I suppose things finally became bad enough for him/them that I was able to secure the domain for a few thousand dollars less than I thought possible (but still in the several thousands of dollars range).   I&#039;ve now owned the domain for about 6-months and while I don&#039;t expect it to just spring to the top of the results for my target keywords - I would expect it to at least appear somewhere in the first 30 pages of returned results - and it doesn&#039;t.   It does however have a PR of 4.   The CPC website was removed the second I purchased the domain and there is currently a growing and very popular blog on the new website.  I&#039;ve submitted several reconsideration request and - &quot;no dice&quot; - I&#039;ve not even had a returned message stating if or not I have done something wrong, so it&#039;s extremely confusing to me!   Could you maybe talk about the process behind the reconsideration request a bit?  Thanks, Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reconsideration request is interesting.  Perhaps you can talk a bit more about this?   I recently purchased a domain name that I have wanted for about 10 years &#8211; it was held by a CPC domain squatter and I suppose things finally became bad enough for him/them that I was able to secure the domain for a few thousand dollars less than I thought possible (but still in the several thousands of dollars range).   I&#8217;ve now owned the domain for about 6-months and while I don&#8217;t expect it to just spring to the top of the results for my target keywords &#8211; I would expect it to at least appear somewhere in the first 30 pages of returned results &#8211; and it doesn&#8217;t.   It does however have a PR of 4.   The CPC website was removed the second I purchased the domain and there is currently a growing and very popular blog on the new website.  I&#8217;ve submitted several reconsideration request and &#8211; &#8220;no dice&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;ve not even had a returned message stating if or not I have done something wrong, so it&#8217;s extremely confusing to me!   Could you maybe talk about the process behind the reconsideration request a bit?  Thanks, Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Rob C</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-252489</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares about Pagerank...

Since Google wants to make an example, and rather than being hypocritical(as Google usually is) why don&#039;t they inflict the SERP, the +60, and the not ranking for their domain name penalty as well, just like they have been doing to all other sites since August of 2007.

You want to exemplify a &#039;real penalty&#039;, then might I such that you; &#039;Do Unto Yourself as You Do Unto Others ...&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares about Pagerank&#8230;</p>
<p>Since Google wants to make an example, and rather than being hypocritical(as Google usually is) why don&#8217;t they inflict the SERP, the +60, and the not ranking for their domain name penalty as well, just like they have been doing to all other sites since August of 2007.</p>
<p>You want to exemplify a &#8216;real penalty&#8217;, then might I such that you; &#8216;Do Unto Yourself as You Do Unto Others &#8230;&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Multi-Worded Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/pointers-for-google-japan-paid-post-story/#comment-252157</link>
		<dc:creator>Multi-Worded Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be a first...a major company punishing itself (or at least attempting to in the eyes of the public) for something that, if looked at in the correct context, isn&#039;t even its own fault.  And as is usually the case, the tech community gets some of the facts right, then proceeds to miss the most obvious thing completely, choosing to blame the big guy rather than take a hard look at where the real problem is.

Think about it, people...what is the primary reason that the PPP community exists?  Perceived search engine benefits...something Google really can&#039;t take advantage of as such because well...they&#039;re a search engine.  If they wanted to put themselves at the top of every SERP they deem to be relevant...well, they could.  It wouldn&#039;t be very smart of them to do it, but they wouldn&#039;t need to pay a bunch of blog posters to do something that they could do in-house and presumably in a much less expensive manner.  Not only that, they could do it in a way that would be so subtle that no one might ever notice.  Remember, they control the horizontal and the vertical (other than personalized search, and even that has its limitations).

So...what other reasons could Google possibly have to use a PPP service provider?  Here are two really obvious (yet really effective if done right) possibilities:

1)  To get feedback on their new widget (i.e. a focus group).

2)  To spread the word about the widget to new potential Google users (i.e. a marketing campaign).

In other words, Google&#039;s intent was in all likelihood perfectly innocent and well-meaning, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the SEO/SEM community.  The reason this turned into an issue?  Because the SEO/SEM community totally bastardized yet another perfectly good idea and did what it usually does to anything that might be useful...turned it into a vested-interest entitlement-without-reason screw-you-screw-me industry whereby the only people who stand any chance at succeeding are those on the top of the pyramid selling snake oil to the lemmings underneath.  The guys who created ReviewMe, PayPerPost, SponsoredReviews and (insert other PPP front for SEM scam here) are the ones who caused this, not Google.

That&#039;s probably why Google came up with the TBPR punishment...they knew that the majority of people who would be angered by this story would also be ignorant enough to be satisfied by an adjustment of a value that ultimately doesn&#039;t mean much of anything.  A few of the so-called smarter types will still rail on about Google doing evil and how this is hypocritical and how the punishment is only for show and so on and so on...but again, why should Google really punish itself for a situation that other people created?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be a first&#8230;a major company punishing itself (or at least attempting to in the eyes of the public) for something that, if looked at in the correct context, isn&#8217;t even its own fault.  And as is usually the case, the tech community gets some of the facts right, then proceeds to miss the most obvious thing completely, choosing to blame the big guy rather than take a hard look at where the real problem is.</p>
<p>Think about it, people&#8230;what is the primary reason that the PPP community exists?  Perceived search engine benefits&#8230;something Google really can&#8217;t take advantage of as such because well&#8230;they&#8217;re a search engine.  If they wanted to put themselves at the top of every SERP they deem to be relevant&#8230;well, they could.  It wouldn&#8217;t be very smart of them to do it, but they wouldn&#8217;t need to pay a bunch of blog posters to do something that they could do in-house and presumably in a much less expensive manner.  Not only that, they could do it in a way that would be so subtle that no one might ever notice.  Remember, they control the horizontal and the vertical (other than personalized search, and even that has its limitations).</p>
<p>So&#8230;what other reasons could Google possibly have to use a PPP service provider?  Here are two really obvious (yet really effective if done right) possibilities:</p>
<p>1)  To get feedback on their new widget (i.e. a focus group).</p>
<p>2)  To spread the word about the widget to new potential Google users (i.e. a marketing campaign).</p>
<p>In other words, Google&#8217;s intent was in all likelihood perfectly innocent and well-meaning, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the SEO/SEM community.  The reason this turned into an issue?  Because the SEO/SEM community totally bastardized yet another perfectly good idea and did what it usually does to anything that might be useful&#8230;turned it into a vested-interest entitlement-without-reason screw-you-screw-me industry whereby the only people who stand any chance at succeeding are those on the top of the pyramid selling snake oil to the lemmings underneath.  The guys who created ReviewMe, PayPerPost, SponsoredReviews and (insert other PPP front for SEM scam here) are the ones who caused this, not Google.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably why Google came up with the TBPR punishment&#8230;they knew that the majority of people who would be angered by this story would also be ignorant enough to be satisfied by an adjustment of a value that ultimately doesn&#8217;t mean much of anything.  A few of the so-called smarter types will still rail on about Google doing evil and how this is hypocritical and how the punishment is only for show and so on and so on&#8230;but again, why should Google really punish itself for a situation that other people created?</p>
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