New Toolbar PageRanks coming

July 24, 2008 @ 4:26 pm · Filed under Google/SEO

Hey folks, I wanted to let you know that new toolbar PageRank values should become visible over the next few days. I’m expecting that also in the next few days that we’ll be expiring some older penalties on websites.

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286 Comments »

  1. Matt Cutts Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

    I figured the SEO industry could use something to discuss, so I thought I’d give people a heads-up about the toolbar PageRanks.

  2. Phil Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:29 pm

    What sort of older penalties are expiring?

  3. DazzlinDonna Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:35 pm

    Nice! Thanks for the heads-up, Matt.

  4. David Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

    I think this post is a great idea. Lets start talking about our Page Ranks even before it goes up or down.

    I am happy to hear that those sites that repent are having their penalties removed.

  5. ASM Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:47 pm

    Any insight on how it’s being calculated? What makes it different from the way you guys calculated PR before? Are you putting more emphasis on certain things?

  6. Joel Lesser Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:48 pm

    Interesting to see this news. So no immediate plans to put the PageRank kitty back in the bag??

  7. Dave Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

    Thanks matt,

    What exactly is the Toolbar PageRank anyway?

    Is it truly green fairy dust?
    Does it actually measure something useful?
    How do people use the ToolBar PageRank information in a meaningful way?

    I’ve read all sorts of things about how Google will sometimes do things like continue to show a high PageRank in the Toolbar for a site that has lost it’s ability to pass that PageRank, etc… I guess in an effort to keep that sort of penalty opaque.

    Could you give us some more information? Confirm some facts and dispel some rumors about the Toolbar PageRank and it’s usefulness.

    Thanks!

  8. Philipp Lenssen Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:51 pm

    Could you wrap up how the toolbar PR relates to the internally computed PR in terms of timing, precision and so on?

  9. Willy Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:52 pm

    Is this announcement a sign of things to come? More transparency? And I don’t mean PageRank updates.

  10. RKA Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:54 pm

    Thank you very much for stirring the hornet’s nest AGAIN!
    I am heading to a cave up in the mountains to meditate………

  11. DavidYin Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:54 pm

    What is sequence Google use to release the PageRanks shift by shift? By area, by TLD, or others?

  12. Andy Beal Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:54 pm

    Thanks Matt.

    Search marketers all of the world will brace for the flurry of client calls about “why their PageRank dropped” even though their actual rankings didn’t—what fun! :-)

  13. John Honeck Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

    Excellent, something new and less contentious to discuss. Thx.

  14. Nick Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:01 pm

    Thanks for the update Matt.

    We noticed a particularly long delay (around one week) of major site’s homepages between the 14th - 21st of this month. Does the update have anything to do with this?

  15. Nick Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:04 pm

    *cache dates

  16. paisley Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:08 pm

    Thank you for the communication sir.
    It is most appreciated.

  17. Adam Payne Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:11 pm

    I agree with Phillip Lenssen, I would love to hear more about how the toolbar PR corresponds to the actual algorithmic PR!

  18. Joe Hall Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:13 pm

    Oh goody goody gum drops! I hope mine go up!

  19. Tony Adam Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:17 pm

    Thanks for the heads up Matt! This hopefully gives some people something to talk about, other than the useless name calling. :)

  20. Saeed Ashour Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:18 pm

    No PR update yet !! i hope i hear good news !!

  21. John Sullivan Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:30 pm

    Yeah they need to bring it.I wonder if that’s in response to the moves Yahoo is making on their own system of ranking pages.
    Google is usually only motivated when it’s in Google best interest;)
    Thanks for the info,nothing personal Peace

  22. Dollar Bid Links Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:30 pm

    Intresting. I hope my sites can get some juice! :D

  23. Jim McNelis Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:31 pm

    i felt this news coming, didn’t expect it from here though!

  24. Aaron Nimocks Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:33 pm

    Time to get sell some links!!! omg omg

    Just kidding. :)

  25. Brant Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:34 pm

    Oh, and we will be holding Matt personally responsible for any page rank devalues. But if our pagerank goes up, we take full credit. SEO’rs don’t have to make sense or be logical. heh.

  26. Andrew Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:34 pm

    Thanks for the update. I’m curious to see what happens on it.

  27. Jane Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:51 pm

    Thanks Matt for the advanced information. :) It is always good to see some green on the toolbar, and you letting us know its on the way makes it all the more special!

    The discussions about which penalties expired will prove to be interesting!

  28. VENKATAKRISHNA NALAMOTHU Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:52 pm

    Page rank is one of the most talked about topic in SEO industry. So one will see blogosphere will buzz with this topic in the next 10-15 days.

  29. TomG Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

    Now this creates a level of anticipation for a PR update I haven’t felt in years.

    Nice :)

  30. yannis Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

    Thanks for the update…Are the features on the tool bar also being updated?

  31. funnyman Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:00 pm

    Get rid of PR! http://www.getridofpagerank.com/

  32. Willy Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:02 pm

    What are all the people in the Digital Point forums going to worry about now?

  33. Jim Gaudet Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:12 pm

    On average how often does the toolbar PR get updated?

    Thanks,

    ~ Jim

  34. Phil Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:20 pm

    Thankyou, finally some hard and fast info on this little green (or grey) buggers whereabouts, ive starting to become unhealthily addicted to info about it over the last week or so, I will rest alittle easier tonight!

    I was wondering, just how old is the data for this update matt? As I understand it makes no difference to serps-as the changes woulda already been prevelant. Sowould be interested to try and put a loose date on when it is based? a week old? fortnight? month?! & Does this alter with different variables?

  35. Ashley Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:37 pm

    Well I missed out on the excitement of this announcement since I noticed a drop in my pagerank today before I read my feeds. Hopefully, it won’t be a trend and continue to go down with future updates.

  36. Aaron Nimocks Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:38 pm

    Jim Gaudet,

    Roughly 3 months.

  37. Matt Cutts Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:38 pm

    Jim Gaudet, normally we do a new push of toolbar PageRanks every 3-4 months.

  38. Roger Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

    I am confused about PageRank, link juice, and the nofollow requirements associated with them.

    I understand the part about buying/selling links, paid reviews, and that sort of thing requiring nofollow.

    What I don’t understand, and find to be handled quite differently across the Internet are things like :

    *Websites touting services they have performed for other companies with a link to those websites (most, but not all, seem to be plain …not nofollowed…links)

    *links to unrelated sites on blogs (both nofollowed and plain as well) within the content, not footers etc.

    These are two examples I am curious about as examples. I know if you are doing affiliate sales or are “paid for the link” it should be nofollowed but how do you know about the rest like to two examples above for instance. When to nofollow and when not to.

  39. Shannon @Babiesonline Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 6:59 pm

    Just wondering, if a site is penalized, are they told why anywhere?

  40. oxygen Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 7:13 pm

    Good,my PR will be 5

  41. james ryan Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

    Have there been any updates to the way penalties are assessed or is it simply the expiration of some old “non relevent” ones. ?

  42. Simon Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 7:26 pm

    Am I the only one round here that couldn’t care less??

    Come on Matt, anyone who’s been working in SEO for more than a year probably doesn’t even have toolbar PR turned on.

  43. RecycleCindy Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 7:39 pm

    What old penalties may be expiring? Could you elaborate about what might be changing? I’m sure other people would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this? So far my PR hasn’t changed and several others I know haven’t either. Maybe it hasn’t happened yet. I check back again.

  44. daocaoshen Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 7:52 pm

    come on，baby…….

    PR 5 !

  45. panzermike Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:04 pm

    Yeah I was noticing that a lot of sites got hammered on this newest update. Seems like everything you do unless it is pay per click, or adwords is now deemed spam. Bummer for all those commercial sites like mine.

    Make sure and use no follow or you could be next!! :-)

  46. Marcia Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:07 pm

    I put Blogger up on a new domain for a local congregation on March 6th, and by the time the next TBPR update rolled out, it was showing PR. That was about 6-8 (maybe 9) weeks after, so this will be the second one in only few months time, which is more frequent than it seems to have been in the past.

  47. Dr. Teeth Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

    Wow, that’s a gr8 news matt!
    I am looking forward to get good rank for few of my sites this update.
    Thanks for the heads up

  48. wyfwgw Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:15 pm

    I hope it.

  49. juyo Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:17 pm

    Why the pagerank update in America before China

  50. Uncle Che Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:18 pm

    Great to hear! Instead of pleasant surprise or ugly shock after the fact, we can be watching on pins and needles over the weekend…..like some of us have nothing better to do on a weekend than watch PR fluctuate and then eventually settle at a new number. :)

  51. John Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:35 pm

    Ooops!

    First devalue linksjuice by way of blocking PR power !

    Matt - are you enticing the industry to open up and say that SEO industry is dependent on buying PR?

    You guys at G-Plex have devalued all those crappy web directories (which is understandable) - and then blogs. Penalized all & sundry involved in buying & selling links.

    Now, I wonder what made G become so generous -that prompted you to announce to the industry that all is FORGIVEN !
    May be you guys have found a new algo to deal with it.
    May be (which I think) - the SERP results were better in Pre-penalization time than after penalization!

    Ooops again! :D

  52. Julio Fernández Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:46 pm

    Thanks for the good news. I’m expecting about how many PR my site will have.

  53. Drake Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 8:51 pm

    Is it true that pagerank actually breaks down into more multiples, for example, if a site is a pr5 on the green google toolbar there is actually a finer distinction such as 5.2 or 5.3. I am not sure if this is urban legend so maybe Mr. Cutts himself can verify or negate this?

  54. fares Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 9:56 pm

    Please give me a link to detect

  55. Dave (original) Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 10:09 pm

    Matt, what about green TBPR on a green background ;)

    Out of interest, does Google have any numbers of Google toolbar users who *don’t* own a web site that enable PageRank intentionally. My guess is they represent less than 1%.

  56. RC Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 10:12 pm

    noted. thanks for the heads up matt.

  57. Matt Cutts Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 10:25 pm

    Joel Lesser, no immediate plans to put the PageRank kitty back in the bag. I’m not 100% sure I know what that means, but I’m going with my best guess.

    Nick, the new toolbar PageRanks shouldn’t have anything to do with whether you had a page that wasn’t crawled as much for a short time.

    yannis, I wouldn’t expect any new features in the toolbar. This is strictly a data refresh of new values. See this post about data pushes, algorithm updates and so on.

    Shannon, http://google.com/webmasters/ has a link to the webmaster console with a Message Center that often alerts site owners to issues, and there’s also a link to the Webmaster Discussion Group where people can offer advice as well.

    james ryan, no update to the way that new penalties are assessed; just the expiration of some older ones.

    RecycleCindy, it could be a few days before people see the toolbar PageRank changing, unless they go poking around on different datacenter IP addresses.

    Drake, I think I’ve covered this before. *rummage rummage* Ah, here we go. If you haven’t read it, I would recommend my More info on PageRank post. The first Q&A answers your question, Drake:

    Philipp Lenssen asks: “Matt, I often wonder, how is the PageRank value stored internally, is it a floating-point number as many people suggest or is it just the integer value itself due to the heavy recursive PR computations?”

    It’s more accurate to think of it as a floating-point number. Certainly our internal PageRank computations have many more degrees of resolution than the 0-10 values shown in the toolbar.

    Dave (original), I believe your intuition is way off on this one. The last time I checked, many many more users turned on the PageRank display than there are site owners. The PageRank display is actually a popular feature, as it turns out.

  58. Nick Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 10:36 pm

    Very good news … thank you for info

  59. Dave (original) Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 10:38 pm

    I stand corrected then, thanks.

    However, its popularity raises another question. Does popular=accurate in regards to TBPR?

    I have a hunch that the higher the PR of the page, the more accurately it reflects on the Toolbar?

  60. Nisan Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

    I am curious about a site that nearly dominates all terms for a certain sector, or more specifically it’s page rank, which shows to be zero, yet is able to seemingly able to triumph over sites that have pr4 and pr5.

    Is there any explanation for this, maybe a sign of penalty or black hat possibly? just curious.

  61. Jerome Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:03 pm

    Thanks for filling the summer slump!

  62. Rob C Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:15 pm

    Matt, Can you give some insight on the penalties being lifted?

    Would appreciate it.

  63. Multi-Worded Adam Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:20 pm

    Dave (original), I believe your intuition is way off on this one. The last time I checked, many many more users turned on the PageRank display than there are site owners. The PageRank display is actually a popular feature, as it turns out.

    I’m not so sure he’s totally wrong about this. My memory may not serve totally correctly on this (and it’s after 2 AM and I can’t sleep), but isn’t the PageRank indicator visible by default after the install? In other words, the question I would have is “how many end users (i.e. people with no vested interest in web design on any level) fully comprehend what PageRank is and use it willingly?”

    The only thing I can come up with is users who use the TBPR value are making the quite understandable mistake of using PageRank as the measure of the quality of a page. If this is indeed the case, then the need exists for a quality indicator that is both more complex (read: harder to reverse engineer) and more accurate. A lot of the stats are already gathered via Analytics for at least a large percentage of sites, and other measures that can’t be gathered from Analytics as such (e.g. coding quality or lack thereof, which is easily enough determined from say the W3C validator; and measures such as Flesch-Kincaid, which may even have anti-webspam implications as well.)

  64. radhoo Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:21 pm

    From where do you know when a PR update is made?

  65. Jane Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:35 pm

    “Dave (original), I believe your intuition is way off on this one. The last time I checked, many many more users turned on the PageRank display than there are site owners. The PageRank display is actually a popular feature, as it turns out.”

    I saw pagerank active on my 74 year old father-in-laws Google Toolbar! He does not know the technical details of pagerank, but he knows the general idea!

  66. Harith Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:50 pm

    Matt,

    Thanks for the update. Thats remindes me of the good old days where you keept us informed of PageRank updates :-)

    And thats bring me some more PR reporting work to do here at work. And I need to pray:

    Almighty God

    Please bless our news sites the national and the local and our verticals the high GOOG PageRank they deserve.

    Amen :-)

  67. Sethruam Said,

    July 24, 2008 @ 11:55 pm

    Thanks for the Update Matt, interesting days are ahead :D

  68. Ram Charan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:20 am

    Thnks for the update Matt.I am waitng for TGPR update and eager to see the penalties?

  69. Rahul Pandey Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:24 am

    Good News! Now again all SEO folks will start a month long debete on Pros & Cons of PR value….Any way i am more interested in knowing about Penalty Part!! Can you please elaborate what type of older penalties are being removed? When you say Older penalties are expiring - does it means all kind of Penaltise or Just PR related penalties?

    BTW - How many types of penalties you guys have? Any Idea?

  70. Rodrigo Vargas Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:26 am

    Thanks for the news Matt.

    Saludos
    Rodrigo from Chile.

  71. dudi Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:27 am

    Thanks for the news,
    it”s come all the way too israel
    dudi

  72. Ferdi Kucuk Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:38 am

    Thanks for the heads up Matt! This hopefully gives some people something to talk about, other than the useless name calling

  73. Tamara Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:50 am

    Technically how many days does ‘a few’ make?

  74. Neusha Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:54 am

    Thanks for the update Matt!

  75. Daniele Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:58 am

    Hi Matt, sorry for my bad english: im a poor italian!
    Im very fond of seo and i read your blog every day.
    I see that the time between a PR update is longer and longer than the past. And its not all that i see.
    Some years ago (one refresh per month, oh wonderfull times) values change all toghether, now.. only group sites per time: only new sites, only old sites, (maybe only trusted -dmoz.ed sites??) ecc.
    My question is: do you have some problem calculating PR?
    I know PR is a iterative algorithm (ive read Brin - Page university work), so i suppose that more pages are “in the box” and more is longer or difficult to find approssimative values. Is it True or i am like Fox Molder that i see aliens everywhere ? If its not, Why now only grouped sites PR change?
    Thanks a lot, Matt, Stay beautiful!

  76. Daniele Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:03 am

    Sorry again Matt, one more question a little bit OFF TOPIC. There was an algo update some days ago? It seems that the “TITLE component” of a page is less important that before. Is that real? Thanks again

  77. Wulffy Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:04 am

    Matt, I am wondering a little bit about this post as “they say” that PageRank is almost unimportant. Why informing the world about a such unimportant news? ;-)

    Regards,
    Wulffy

  78. Dave (original) Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:30 am

    I saw pagerank active on my 74 year old father-in-laws Google Toolbar! He does not know the technical details of pagerank, but he knows the general idea!

    Did you show him how to turn it off and did HE intentionally enable it?

  79. Graham Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:37 am

    And knowing the TBPR of a website achieves what exactly?

    It’s a bit of fluff to assuage those who cling to increasingly naive opinion that links are important. If that’s you then carry on while those how are more concerend about conversion continue to make money.

    I have no idea what my page rank is and I don’t care. I rank well and it’s not because I have TBPR of 99, it’s because the content is good.

    Increasing your TBPR won’t suddnly make your site more productive, it won’t increase your CTR, it won’t double your conversions. Forget about TBPR and concentrate instead on increasing your conversion rate.

    Annnnnd relax…..

  80. Randy Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:47 am

    Hi, Matt. I lost my all google traffic. & I lose my earnings…:(

    Can you please tell me Is It a ban or anything else….:(

    The keyword was Quotes and Sayings.
    Please Reply Me…

  81. Dario Salvelli Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:27 am

    Brrr…new PageRank refresh…

  82. Gerry Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:39 am

    Honestly, I haven’t installed Google Tool bar recently, with Firefox and IE both having decent search bars (any engine) and everything else competing for space on my shrunken laptop - I am a less is more kinda guy (he says with more plugins in FF than he would like to admit to …)

    As for pagerank - it is odd how this is used to ‘value’ links for so many people, and yet buying links is against the Ts and Cs of Google! So, what really is the point in telling people what page rank they have, except to get them competing wierdly…

  83. Kjell Bleivik Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:40 am

    In my opinion, toolbar pagerank is a measuere of stable semantic IBL’s, in other words, Google’s relatively stable measure of the importance of a page, a reflection or mirror of what I call Google’s adaptive inverted link matrix model of the web, real meaningful citations or votes if you prefer a non mathematical language. I personally do not know of a better software (BOT) model in 2008.

    It is the outcome of a complex system like temperature is the outcome of a partly known high dimensional system. In a sense, a projection from that system to the thermometer or the temperature metric represented by a single number.

    Toolbar pagerank should not be confused with SERP position that so many webmasters do. Neither should it be confused with directory or internal PageRank that may fluctuate from day to day.

  84. seza Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:43 am

    Thank you matt

  85. paul Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:54 am

    Maybe this will finally mean that the domain I bought will have it’s penalty removed (even after 3 inclusion requestions over the past 5 months) and that it will start showing up index wise. Good stuff Matt

  86. Dave (original) Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:01 am

    Well said, Graham.

    While most are chasing TBPR, others are building site pages for humans. It should be a no-brainer what Google the SE and its users prefer. Hint to the “SEO pros”, it’s not TBPR.

  87. Andrew Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:06 am

    Hey Matt, thanks for that post. As far as I can remember there has never been a post which announces new PageRank values. That is really a big help as all the PageRank “Update” related threads can be ignored….Thanks

  88. CReed Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:10 am

    Matt - are the penalties that are expiring related to sites that have filed a reconsideration/reinclusion request? Or are there other sites that may have made substantial changes being considered as well?

    I’m just wondering if it’s necessary to file a reinclusion request or if it’s possible that if I’ve made the necessary changes, will they be noticed?

  89. Brian Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:15 am

    That’s very interesting. Let’s hear more about the expiring penalties, one of my directories was penalized and despite correcting my wrongs and submitting reconsideration it remains penalized. I know of one site that recovered some PR but that site had some inside help, didn’t it? What really worries me, it’s now so very easy to get competitors website penalized. When the “Older” sites were penalized the Google search results revealed some interesting facts as half of the websites showing in the result were committing the same crimes as the penalized sites were if not more yet managed to avoid any hit. I’m not bitter and still look forward to the update.

  90. centime Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:32 am

    Hi There, is a reconsideration request mandatory for a site that has been de indexed ?

    Do you re review penalised/deindexed sites for reindexing without the request.

  91. Ryan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:49 am

    Wow, what a post to wake up too! Not only was it exciting, but the fact that you mentioned the penalties expiration was even sweeter - will be interesting to see if any sites I suspect were penalized from the past come out from the penalty box!

    Thanks Matt - very cool that you’re so up front about it :)

  92. mike Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:02 am

    Am thinking of running a book on how long till the future pagerank tool @ SEO chat crashes with people hammering it for a sneak peak of their PageRank

  93. Nick Stamoulis Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:08 am

    Thanks Matt for the heads up…it was about time for an update :o)

  94. Elad Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:14 am

    Matt,

    Could you clarify what the LOW, MEDIUM & HIGH Page-Rank values in Google Webmaster Tools are?

    I’ve heard all sorts of assumptions that Low=0-4, MEDIUM=5-6, HIGH=7-10..

    Is this true or are the values different?

  95. Ray Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:46 am

    Matt,

    Would this explain why my website seems to have dropped off of the google radar in terms of searching keywords? For the past 3 weeks, I’ve went from 25-30 visits a day to basically 0. The only way I can find my website is by using the site:domain feature.

    What are your thoughts?

  96. SEO Genius Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:47 am

    That sounds good to me, thanks for the update.

    I am quite excited about the PR update should be fun :D

  97. froNau Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:04 am

    I guess its not started yet?

    If its started lets rocks :)

  98. Morgan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:34 am

    Nice, good things, i hope google give me interesting PR…. ;)

  99. Medical Transcription Blog Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:39 am

    Wishing good luck to all those who expect a hike in their PRs.

  100. Sean MacEntee Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:58 am

    The fact old penalties will be expiring is very interesting… it effectively means what was wrong once, is now ok with google… (that’s certainly what most people are gonna think)… ‘paid links’ is the only big issue i can think of here… maybe i’m totally off the ball…

    If it is indeed anything related to paid links, it’s going to be back to square one eventually… pagerank will become more important, so important that it becomes more valuable than traffic or readers.The way things are at the minute, i believe, is killing pagerank as it’s no longer an accurate measure of a site’s strength… take john chow’s blog - PR4 at present, if i come across it, look at the PR value… i assume it’s a much smaller blog than it actually is. Ok, granted, it’s basically a page full of ads, but the PR value still isn’t an accurate measure of the site’s value to the end user imo.

    The purpose of PR is to reflect the ‘importance of web pages’ but at the minute on *some* sites that’s not accurate due to the whole paid links ban/punishment.

    Anyway, looking forward to the new update to see what the big G have in store :-)

  101. jason Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:03 am

    my pr is 0 ,I want it update quickly.

  102. Stefan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:05 am

    Thanks for the heads up Matt!

  103. webmaster Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:06 am

    Hi,
    Thanks for the update…
    Are the features on the tool bar also being updated?

  104. Nozelf Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:29 am

    Waiting my new pagerank :D

  105. shophexe Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:32 am

    I am looking forward to see the new PR. Because I think my site is one of victims of some penalties.

  106. David Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:41 am

    I look forward to seeing what will happen on internal pages this time around. I noticed that directories, forums, and just about all types of web sites, had internal pagerank removed for many pages, and often without it making a lot of sense.

    Just to give an example there was a site with about 6 tabs at the top, and some tabs had good pagerank, and others had none, yet the links pointing to those pages had a relatively equal strength. Another example would be a forum with some of the main forum pages having pagerank and others having none, yet with no obvious inequality in terms of links pointing to those pages. And a third example that interests me is directories. Some directories have internal category pages with pagerank, while others do not, while still others have it on some categories but not others.

    It will be good see if some real meaning will return to the pagerank results that are returned for internal pages. At this point, it seems there are some irregularities, but no clear explanation why they exist, so hopefully you might be able to shed some light on this.

    (While I don’t always post, I really appreciate you having this blog, and try to read especially about the webmaster related items, so thanks so much for having it!)

    David

  107. MAdmEEra99 Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:56 am

    Thanks Matt,

    it was about time somebody started telling us, when the actual GTPR update is coming.

  108. Angsuman Chakraborty Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:04 am

    Have you considered increasing the scale from 0-100? Benefits?
    1. More accuracy
    2. Better distinction of quality of web sites

    Cons:
    More fight, more questions to answer :)

  109. Ed Sexton Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:13 am

    I don’t have admin access on my PC so can’t install the Google Toolbar and watch my PR rise and fall. It frees up a lot of time in the day to comment on page rank posts.

  110. K.Thenmozhi Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:21 am

    That’s a great news Mr.Matt. By saying so, you have silenced more PR prediction mongers and put an end to various threads talking about the arrival of the PR update in different webmaster forums. Hope my sites too shoot up in the PR ladder :)

  111. JonnyT Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:22 am

    Great announcement! Pure cat-nip for SEOs. :)

  112. SticKer Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:23 am

    Hey Matt thanks for the heads up! I’m looking forward to see some updates for some of my sites

  113. Sands Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:26 am

    “…we’ll be expiring some older penalties on websites.”

    I’ll never understand why Google has taken the position of being the arbiter of what is of “value” to a visitor.

    Let the free market market make that decision and everyone wins.

  114. Andy Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:27 am

    Age of PR….

    I was pretty astonished to see that PR Update seems to end for sites by June 15th. So for one of Germany´s leading web-news, heise.de

    Is this explicite wish? Or just a problem of technics?

    As the webmastertools give different (more recent) values, this seems to me confusing.

  115. Rob Camp Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:31 am

    Can someone enlighten me as to the practical, commercial advantage of having the PageRank bar coloured in green a bit more (or maybe less :( )?

    As Dave said above, anyone who’s been working in the job for more than a year probably doesn’t even bother with toolbar PR. Maybe I’ve hit on some sandbox for search engine enthusiasts. It takes a year to realise your sales won’t jump just because the PR has gone from 2 to 3.

    Surely all this sort of news does is either send a bunch of noobs into a panic about why they can’t see any change on their PR toolbar OR mobilize the unscrupulous ne’erdowells of the world to go around touting that their sites now have bare PR and people can send link requests and offers of paid “sponsorship” to info@you-lovez-the-big-pr-linkz-lol.com.

    Also,

    “I figured the SEO industry could use something to discuss”

    LOLZ

  116. Neil Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:40 am

    Thank you Matt for informing us of the upcoming PR update

  117. Rob Camp Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:43 am

    Addendum: When I say “Dave” obviously I mean “Simon”.

  118. Jim Switzer Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:45 am

    I look forward to more insight into the pagerank of our sites. My fear is that with the recent rank dropping changes regarding purchased links, will some of our clients pasts come back to haunt them. Will obviously purchased links in history affect current ranking, even if the content of the sites has been updated and optimized since their indiscretions?

  119. Dog Name Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:53 am

    Changing the scale for 1-10 to 1-100 is probably not a good idea for Google. I don’t thin they want to give us this level of precision which would enable us to trick their algorithm. But I guess that internally they use more a 1-100000 scale than 1-10…

  120. ghing Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:07 am

    Wow!.. hope my new sites receives an update!!…

  121. Gerald Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:08 am

    This is great, at last, someone that actually works for Google is telling us when the next toolbar PR update is!! This is a dream come true for many people!! Thanks Matt!!! :)

  122. Daniele Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:09 am

    Im quite sure google (excluding some penalties) doesn’t know (care about) WHAT is a site. It only consider pages and how they link each other.

  123. CableGuy Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:23 am

    How old is the data for this update today?

  124. Kiten Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:35 am

    I cant wait to see my website PR. Its new and i want at least pr3, but i will see soon :)

  125. Jane Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:52 am

    From the looks of my sites, and my client sites, the PR snapshot appears to be atleast one month old. I’m surprised that the data is not newer.

  126. Pearl Jewelry Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:02 am

    thanks for the update, does google still only make the pagerank updates that are available to the public once a quarter or so ? does anyone know if this could end up being a monthly event anytime soon ?

  127. Evan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:03 am

    Oh excellent news. Im looking forward to seeing if I get some increases I have been working hard at adding fresh articles and content.

  128. Kevin Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:24 am

    thats exciting… love to see increased PR :)

  129. Matt Cutts Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:30 am

    “My memory may not serve totally correctly on this (and it’s after 2 AM and I can’t sleep), but isn’t the PageRank indicator visible by default after the install?” M.W.A., when you download and install the Google Toolbar you have to choose to opt-in to see PageRank.

    “From where do you know when a PR update is made?” radhoo, I talked to the people that will push the new data. You do know that I work at Google, right? :)

    “do you have some problem calculating PR?” Actually Daniele, over the years we’ve written improved algorithms that can compute the values much faster. Someone should do a post on the official Google blog about that at some point.

    Jane, say thanks to your 74-year-old grandfather for me. :)

    “Could you clarify what the LOW, MEDIUM & HIGH Page-Rank values in Google Webmaster Tools are?” Honestly Elad I don’t know. At Google you’ve got full access to the raw values, so I rarely look at the truncated histograms of stuff.

    “Have you considered increasing the scale from 0-100?” Angsuman, I think folks here are happy with the 0..10 scale.

    Glad I could give a heads-up for folks.

  130. Jay Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:40 am

    @Angsuman - I agree

  131. Serge Cherry Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:46 am

    Thanks, Matt.

  132. Martin Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:50 am

    Buenos sueños Matt y que el nuevo PR sea como Papa Noel para todos los propietarios de WEB. Tengo 56 años prejubilado y estoy empezando a aprender algo, muy poquito de como Google influye en mi vida.
    Cuida bien de tus gatitos.
    Saludos desde España.

    Matt Good dream and that the new PR is like Santa Claus for all owners WEB. I have 56 years early retirement and I am beginning to learn something, very little as Google influences in my life.
    Take good care of your little cats
    Greetings from Spain

  133. Samreen Soomro Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 9:52 am

    I have my fingers crossed =)

  134. Jonathan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:05 am

    Thank you Matt, however what I want to know is that is the update over? — as I think my website has already updated pagerank or will it change?

    Thanks.

  135. Lawrence Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:06 am

    Hi Matt,

    For the first time in the life of http://www.skool.com there’s a page rank now on the toolbar. But all databases that I query still show a page rank of 0. Will those get updated to reflect the pageranking from the toolbar? Does the two correlate?

    Thanks for this update. You should be sleeping if it’s 2am..

  136. Kris Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:07 am

    Thanks for the update Matt

  137. Lew Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:11 am

    Thanks for the update Matt, btw nice read in USA Today a few weeks ago. Congrats.

  138. Alina Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:23 am

    I am a little puzzled about what you said : “we’ll be expiring some older penalties on websites”. By older you mean more than one month? I’m asking you this because I have a website( the one in my signature) who has a google penalty since 13 July and I was hopping that my penalty will go away pretty soon - I have no idea why did I receive it in the first place. But if you mean by older more than one month this will not apply to my blog and that’s a really bad news :(…

  139. Clement Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:29 am

    Good development…but what is the relevance of Toolbar PageRank? I have read several articles indicating that TBPR is not important because Google maintains a secret PageRak which they use to rank sites.

  140. Jacky Supit Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:29 am

    Matt, sorry if it’s a stupid question. but could you please give me some words about what is a pagerank for actually?

    until now i really have no idea what is it for. Many website/blog got penalties, still they said they didn’t get any changing on their search engine position.

    They still get traffics from search engine. so what is it pagerank for actually? I have read the google success story book, the writer said that google search engine use it as one of many factors to sort the search result.

    but looks like he’s wrong. so if it is possible, could you tell me the answer is?

    *yea english is not my mother language*

  141. Charlie Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 11:15 am

    Again, thanks for the update…
    Now wondering how many people will be suffering and non-sleeping well :P
    Pura Vida!

  142. Claudia Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:17 pm

    When I first install the toolbar at my new computer it showed me a PR6. Since I had to go out I couldn´t check it again until hours later.
    For a few hours I feel really well then it went back to 0.
    I wish my blog could regain its PR4 at least.
    Can I have some hope that this update is not finished yet?

  143. Mike Taylor Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:37 pm

    Thanks for the update Matt. This should really get the SEO world buzzing and speculating.

  144. Ryan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:38 pm

    PR updates are almost like having Christmas a couple times a year for web professionals. When it starts getting close you just can’t wait to see what you get. Thanks for the update Matt.

  145. Scott Morrow Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:44 pm

    Thank you for the heads up, but I have done extensive research and still do not see my hard work change the PageRank over 2. I wish they would explain it so IDIOTS like myself could see our hard work amount to something.

    GREAT WORK on your part Matt, you put out alot of information. Sometimes we need it broken down for us beginners / moderate designers to be able to understand.

  146. Annalee Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:51 pm

    Hi Matt,

    I can see that the page ranks for individual pages on my site are in a state of flux. Is it normal to see the Page Rank of a given page come and go during the few days that Google is making changes? One minute a page says “No Page Rank Available” and the next minute, it’s showing a Page Rank of 2, and then back again. Just wondering if this fluctuation is normal?

    Thanks

  147. kewlchat Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 12:57 pm

    Thanks Matt, Im working hard now days to keep my sites firmly within the webmaster guiedlines.

    I apreciate all the hard work you do and im hopeing the update will be nice for me :)

  148. Mandeep Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:24 pm

    Hi Matt,
    Thanks for informing about it..

    This is also true that all world seo are waiting for it..

    But i dont think this pr update, will make any huge change in SERPs//

    Regards,
    Mandeep Singh

  149. Darren Slatten Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:28 pm

    Matt,

    In your “More info on PageRank” post, you mention this:

    “At some point we take our internal PageRanks, put them on a 0-10 scale, and export them so that they’re visible to Google Toolbar users.”

    There seems to be a lot of confusion amongst both site owners and Google Toolbar users, regarding the relative value of each Toolbar PageRank number, as they relate to the internal PageRank values. One of the common misconceptions is that the Toolbar PageRank scale is linear–that is, the average internal PageRank value of a page with a Toolbar PageRank of 6 would be twice the average internal PageRank value of a page with a Toolbar PageRank of 3. In other words, many people assume that a TBPR 6 page is roughly twice as “important” as a TBPR 3 page.

    However, site owners have noticed that the difficulty of reaching the next value on the Toolbar PageRank scale… increases at an “exponential” rate for a given page (assuming the acquisition of new links remains constant). This observation has led to theories that TBPR is a logarithmic scale of internal PR values, for example:

    TBPR [4, 5) = internal PR [x^4, x^5), where x is some constant, set by Google.

    Personally, I see potential flaws in this type of scale, but it still makes more sense than a linear scale. But anyway, my question is:

    Can you please give us a better understanding of how Google determines the Toolbar PageRank values from the internal PageRank values?

    Or, if you’d prefer, you can simply email me the entire Google algorithm, and I’ll just figure it out for myself. Whatever’s easiest for you. :)

    - Darren Slatten

  150. Ipod tips Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:31 pm

    Let it come. I’m ready. :)

  151. John Zárate Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:34 pm

    Very Good!… Google Dance for my website… lest go!

  152. Doug Heil Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:36 pm

    Yes Matt; I’m glad you gave all of us a heads-up as well…… lol. You are a funny guy Matt.

    Well let’s see; Matt posted this I think yesterday, and there are already over 100 comments on it. I have to give big kudos to Matt and Google. They sure do know how to change the subject. LOL

    Gee; I can’t wait to wade through all the subsequent comments about “why did my pagerank go down”.

  153. Stefan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:45 pm

    Hi Matt,

    one of my pages - only very few visitors and links, no unique content (only youtube vids), seldomly updated - keeps steady at PR4.

    My main page - many visitors and links, only unique content, regularely updated - dropped from PR4 to PR3. Now its prognosed to drop to PR2.

    What do Google want to teach me with this?

    Greetings from Germany,
    Stefan

  154. Pogung177 Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 1:50 pm

    It almost at the same time Google rumored will buy Digg, Digg acquired and the PageRank will disappeared..? I don’t think this not co-related, better Google PageRate thank PageRank, I though !!

  155. webstorm Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:21 pm

    Matt,

    Thanks for this info.
    When you say “we’ll be expiring some older penalties on websites”, I hope that penalty (wich I don’t know the reason) on my website since 20th april will be expering…

    PS: Excuse my bad english…

  156. spamhound Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:51 pm

    Expiring some penalties would probably explain some of the Yo Yo results lately. Once search has the site selling the links pass no value, so link buy gets no juice. Next result has added the juice back in and link buyer now gets a big push.

    All they changed was the working sponsors to affiliates. They still sell the links, and people still buy them.

    If you are going to ask for link buying reports, then you should at least take action against them until they stop selleing the links and not allow the selling site to pass anchor text juice.

    Who cares about the PR, it’s the anchor text juice that is going to get you results on a site wide link buy with 25K + pages indexed.

    For example: http://www.videohelp.com/

  157. Scott Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 2:51 pm

    Matt,

    It would be great if you could do a blog post about the different types of penalties that Google levies. I think there’s a ton of confusion about what a penalty is, sitewide, in the serps, etc.

    Scott

  158. Looking for some help!!! Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 3:25 pm

    Matt, I have a site that is not not ranking on the first page anymore for any of its keywords I optimized the site for. My site ranked on page 1 for very competitive keywords and I never bought or sold a link on my site. I DID link exchange but then when I found that link exchange is not allowed, By all means, I am being totally honest here. I stopped all the link exchange activity so that I do not get penalized. I kept adding fresh content. Some of my content was copied. In fact someone took my whole site and copied it on some server. I couldn’t do anything about it because I couldn’t redo every single page again. That was just impossible.

    My competitors have a HUGE amount of budget to spend on buying links all the time. I also had one of the sites reported as the webmaster of the site kept buying links on huge sites and that actually worked for him and got him rankings. In fact, if you search for his site you’ll see two of his pages listed on the main page. The top position holders now are all those sites that have heavy budget for buying links.

    I NEVER bought a link and lost all my rankings. I know it sounds as if I am complaining and being a little baby here but my website meant a LOT for me in every way. I don’t earn much from it now and I keep loosing my rankings.

    I redid the whole code, I added RSS feeds, placed no follow attribute to all the outgoing links, added new content but I can’t keep track of all my pages if they have been copied now. I have been trying to do more SEO work but it’s just not working. Again, I have NEVER sold a link on my site.

    I am dead sure that I am not the only one. In fact, there are must be a huge number of webmasters going through these problems. I am frustrated because I have to support my family, my parents and myself and I can’t do that properly now why? Because my competitors pushed me down the pages and it seems as if they also used some tricks to get my site penalized? I mean that has to be the only explaination that I could think of?

    You are a busy guy, you must have a lot to do and I know you can not take care of individual problems but could you guys please, pleeeaaseee do something that could warn us or could give us a little idea if there is something wrong with our site so that we could take care of. Not every webmaster wants to manipulate search results by using black hat SEO methods and certainly not everyone can afford to spend $5000-$10000 each month only for link-buying purpose.

    I have worked with heart and soul on my site. Since the day me and my wife created it till date, we have worked hard on it and still are but we don’t see any positive result. Is buying links really the only way to rank on Search engines now? It’s heart wrenching to see others do so good while we suffer for apparently no reason.

  159. Morris Rosenthal Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:26 pm

    Matt,

    I wish the Webmaster Console folks would throw a little permanent blue bar in the “High” row for PageRank, instead of having it come and go. I don’t care if it means anything, it’s just damn depressing to log in and see nothing but “Medium” and “Low”.

    Morris

  160. SEO Boot Camp Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:30 pm

    Hey Matt, as I understand it, you’re something like the head of quality control or Chief Spam Remover or something like that, right?

    So, what would you do if there were no SE spam?

    Cash in your stocks and sit on the beach?

    Open a bagel cafe?

    Be a professional blogger?

    Go back to the NSA?

    :D

    Your Pal,
    Bompa

  161. fahry Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

    Wish good news for all my blog :)
    Thanks matt

  162. Thomas Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

    Thanks,Matt.I checked some websites in some pr checker sites.It’s really true as you have said.

  163. les Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:47 pm

    I figured the SEO industry could use something to discuss, so I thought I’d give people a heads-up about the toolbar PageRanks.
    Nice to know it’s coming - but is this advice an attempt to switch talk away from Google-Digg acquisition talk?

    I am not a cynic - much

  164. Vern's SEO Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 5:50 pm

    I was fixing a client’s site and found some malware in a javascript on his site. I removed it… did some other general things like registered the site with webmaster tools and google analytics… immediately the PR jumped from 1 to 4.

    Are any changes we make capable of producing that kind of large PR jump - removing malware for instance?

    I’ve not seen it in the past and maybe I just had the uncanny fortune of fixing his site DURING the removal of the expired penalties?

    Strange, yes?

  165. Bertimus Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:10 pm

    Wow yeah, now I can read my new toolbar PageRank directly in it, cool!
    Well, it’s time to sleep now in France (3 am) - Good night ;)

  166. aw Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 6:20 pm

    the prediction tools seem to be all down :(

  167. Cher Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

    Thanx Matt! Hope it would enhance some PR to my sites in the coming days.

  168. YeXiongNan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 7:46 pm

    That’s good,i’am waiting……

  169. Sunil Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:10 pm

    Google PageRank as you expected has been started, I can see the updated values in my toolbar for all of my blogs. I confirmed this news here

    http://www.dailytechnologytips.com/2008/07/google-pagerank-q2-2008-update-july-24.html

    I was able to get good PR for all of my blogs…no fall :)

  170. Sunil Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:12 pm

    Even you blog has got PageRank value 7. It was 6 before

  171. Medical Transcription Blog Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

    The axe is on! I don’t sell links and in fact 1000 more inbound links to my home page have got added from last PR update but still my PR is down by 1 point, PR4 to PR3, strapped all the rankings of my internal pages. Hail google algorithm!

  172. Matt Cutts Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:24 pm

    Darren, the toolbar PageRank display is not linear. It’s more than twice as hard to get a PR6 compared to a PR3, for example.

    Folks, my blog is not the best place to chat about PageRank for an individual site going up or down. The various forums around the web are probably better for that. :)

  173. Jonathan Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 10:30 pm

    Couldn’t we just turn your blog, into some sort of disguised forum? But hey, we are only asking you as you work for Google, you have the first hand knowledge, where other forums do not. =D

  174. pavs Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 11:11 pm

    Hey Matt would you like to exchange pagerank of your blog with mine? pretty please?

  175. Omar Abid Said,

    July 25, 2008 @ 11:40 pm

    Thanks Matt, my page rank is 3 now. My blog is 2 month old only :)

  176. Dave (original) Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 12:07 am

    The axe is on! I don’t sell links and in fact 1000 more inbound links to my home page have got added from last PR update but still my PR is down by 1 point, PR4 to PR3, strapped all the rankings of my internal pages. Hail Google algorithm!

    The BIG clue is in what you THINK are 1000 or more votes/links. The harder you try to *directly* up your links and PageRank the less likely you are to succeed.

    Stop wasting your time and forcing Google to flag your site and start adding content that others WANT to voluntary vote/link to based on merit.

  177. Johnafrankllin Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 12:22 am

    Hi,
    May I expect one of my removed site could be back in Google’s Index during this update. Please note that the site was removed by the previous seo company the site was with not by the google itself.
    regards
    John

  178. B Biswanath Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 12:38 am

    Hello There,
    I am also deeply thinking about the Q3 2008 Google PR Update. But as per my point of view this should be happening on this month(July 2008) end & I am also looking for Higher PR for my site(www.dbcworld.in).
    Hope for the best.
    B Biswanath,
    Webmaster,
    DBCWorld.in

  179. Harith Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 12:39 am

    Folks,

    WOW… Almighty God has answered my prayers posted here :)

    Majority of our news sites and verticals got a boost in PR: PR6–>PR7, PR5–>PR6, PR5–>PR6, PR5–>PR6 etc…

    So now we know for sure how to get a high PR.

    Prayers combined with hard ethical SEO work :)

  180. Andres Gomez Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 1:03 am

    Thank you Matt,

    So is possible to get two pagerank updates more this year?

    Is false that Pagerank will to disappear soon?

    regards!

  181. Kamran Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 1:32 am

    Hi,
    Anyone knows when Google Toolbar Completly Update.

  182. Jacky Supit Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 1:33 am

    Hey Matt,

    My blog was a Pagerank 6, and now I see it 0 :)

    I would be so shocked months ago, but now i don’t think pagerank is important for me since (as i have asked you on the previous comment) i dont understand about what is pagerank good for?

    what is it really used for? if only you could give us some little words about it Matt.

    Thanks :)

    *i am of course expecting my pagerank 6 back, is it perhaps because i move from www to non www?*

  183. Srik Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 1:50 am

    Hello Matt,

    Thanks for the info, can you please clarify if the penalities that are expiring are the PR penalties or penalties on website rankings too.

    Thanks,
    srik

  184. Mike Cook Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 2:07 am

    Jacky asked if PR is important.

    Well, as an Affiliate Account Manager I need all the info I can get on whether to accept an affiliate on to my merchants programme and PR is one of the tools I use in making that decision.

    If you don’t monetise your sites then perhaps it is not all that important. :)

  185. Axa Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 2:12 am

    Matt,

    How long this new pagerank will stand ? i mean when google will update pr again? next 2 months? or? is it periodically or randomize ?

  186. Zafar Ahmed Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 2:17 am

    Hi Matt,

    Sorry this is complete offtopic.

    There seems to be something wrong with Analytics. I cannot see the dashboard when I login from my account or neither my client’s account.

    You might want to look into it.

    Thank you.

    regards,
    Zafar Ahmed

  187. Ed Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 3:22 am

    what if penalties still stay? Is there chance that they expire soon?

  188. major Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 3:34 am

    Got 1 site out of the penalty 2 days back but a number of sites I manage doesn’t show any pr change yet, will monitor in the next couple of days..

  189. emanuel Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 3:36 am

    Thanks for the adjustment to our PR it was a refreshing bit of good news going into the weekend. We have been recovering from years of long court proceedings that happened to our brand. This last year as you may know we re-launched Altnet.com, launched Music.kazaa.net and Vozzi.com making way for the next version of our brand. I met with Google here in AU it was hectic trying to get help with business development. We want to launch a “we are back and 100% legal” Gadget. The truth about us is we created an amazing download and upload application late 2000 and went to the labels and asked them how we could work together. The business development asked legal what to do about us that resulted in the disruption of our brand and lives. We now have distribution rights for music from Universal, Sony, EMI and, Warners. We appreciate everything you help us understand about search. The next release of our sites will clean up many code issues.

  190. emanuel Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 3:46 am

    –=Hey folks=– Prior to the PR update anyone else notice that the usual increase from web history in SERP and also top search queries in web master tools and in the igoogle gadget were all offline.

  191. Alex Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 3:55 am

    So, in Germany we’ve got the so called “summer hole” and now everybody is busy hehe :-)

  192. Dario Salvelli Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 3:55 am

    Ehi Matt. Do u know some affidable tool (not Google toolbar) about calcuate PR?

  193. Dragos Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 4:26 am

    I saw some changes with the pr on my websites. One website boosted from pr 0 to pr 3,another decreased from pr 1 to pr 0.
    @Dario Salvelli, you could either use google toolbar to check PR for websites you surf or you can use http://seoanalytic.com/tools/pagerank_checker/ to calculate PR for specific websites you want(without surfing to them).

  194. António Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 4:43 am

    Hi Matt,
    Thanks for information, do it more times :)
    Yes, today (26 jul) some of my sites had Pagerank upgraded.

  195. Jim McNelis Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 4:44 am

    Matt,

    I’ll hold off on a full report until this update is finished. It appears Google has again botched my Toolbar PageRank update for my site. (ditoweb.com)

    I don’t understand how pages that have been in your index for almost a year, that show up in the Google Webmaster Central interface as being indexed and ranked, could all the sudden go from PR3 to PR-NA.

    In fact, over 1/2 of my site (not including blog pages) is PR-NA, currently. Some have been PR NA for over 6 months (ditoweb.com/seo.html). I don’t even understand how this is possible unless you guys really don’t have your stuff together.

    I am not breaking any rules to my knowledge and I have never paid for a single link.

    The Google Webmaster Central interface and the Google Toolbar do not jive.

    I am a small site, I follow your rules, I tout your products. Where is the love?

  196. an0n Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 4:52 am

    Page Rank is a load of crap that is designed to make everybody run around to googles tunes. JMHO though.

  197. Paul Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 5:07 am

    The Duplicate Content Filter.

    Hi Everyone…What Does Everyone Think About The Google Duplicate Content Filter?

    My personal opinion is that The Duplicate Content Filter should have an allowance of maybe 5-10 Copies per website…this is because if you write good content on an information site…people will copy. This means that all the hard work that you have applied to your website has gone done the drain, so to speak, I think is a problem that needs to be addressed. I have an information website and everytime I write something on the site I always get at least 15 people copying my stuff. Do I have the time to write emails and complain to each person…NO
    Why? Because the internet is about sharing information without restrictions!!! Also another flaw within this is that you could sabatage a website quite easily by copying the whole website.

    So the truth is…if you write a great page for your website and people copie the page within a few weeks you will not get page rank for that page ever!!!

    I have an idea how Google can combat this quite easily so that originators of content HOLD THERE PAGERANK…You could have a Original Content Submission Page So Webmasters could submit there latest page and the spiders come and collect the Info for the webpage immediately without Discrimination. So that the originator Gets Pagerank and the rest do not OR just allow a certain number of copies (5-10) with the originator getting full pagerank and the others less. Maybe Both methods could be applied.

    Does anyone else have an opinion on this ??????????

    PAUL

  198. too soon, too late... Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 5:22 am

    Dario, try the seo quake add-in for firefox it gives PR as well as lots of great information.

  199. RANGARAJAN A L Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 5:31 am

    My sites PR is reduced to 0 but the info in Payperpost remians the same as 3.
    Anyway my question is if all these blogs are made to 0 or reduced won’t it affect the sites like PPP, Amosrty etc. as well?

  200. emanuel Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 5:32 am

    Baruch HaShem thanks for putting my site back to PR of 6. We will do all we can to continue to earn it. It’s hard to control who links to a website. Can we report links that we do not want to count some how?

  201. Jim McNelis Said,

    July 26, 2008 @ 5:34 am

    Matt,

    Google keeps doing me dirty:

    Home page is not cached in Google….(ditoweb.com).

    Google Map listing for my business disappeared even though it shows active in LBC…completely wiped. I can’t find it in the map index at all. (I posted more details here: http://blumenthals.com/blog/2008/07/11/google-lbc-upgrades-business-communications/#comment-258860)

    Google Solutions Marketplace being gamed by obvious fake reviews, knocking my legit listing and reviews off the 1st page.

    The last item I can at least attempt to control…I plan asking more clients to review me this week.

    These other issues appear to be out of my hands and I have t