Comments on: Google App Engine: Launching a startup gets even easier http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/ neat fun stuff Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:10:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: jack http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-126055 jack Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:44:44 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-126055 Any idea when the unlucky masses who didn't make it into the first 10,000 users will get a shot at using app engine. I'm really itching to give it a shot. Any idea when the unlucky masses who didn’t make it into the first 10,000 users will get a shot at using app engine. I’m really itching to give it a shot.

]]> By: Ze Fonseca http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125802 Ze Fonseca Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:58:32 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125802 Matt, when I say "Sovietize" I mean "go too big centralized to administer", not some evil empire ok? Just to clear that up. I am a big Google fan and use every single product you put out. I wish Gears was more widespread already, I could really really benefit from my customers having it installed, making favorites lists, client-stored stuff much more useful.... So, just to clear that one comment up. Wrote it in a hurry and I guess it could be interpreted wrongly. Matt, when I say “Sovietize” I mean “go too big centralized to administer”, not some evil empire ok? Just to clear that up. I am a big Google fan and use every single product you put out.

I wish Gears was more widespread already, I could really really benefit from my customers having it installed, making favorites lists, client-stored stuff much more useful....

So, just to clear that one comment up. Wrote it in a hurry and I guess it could be interpreted wrongly.

]]> By: Ze Fonseca http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125801 Ze Fonseca Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:50:48 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125801 Matt, from a birds eye view you are basically paying out for people to store their information and run their apps with you. In an extreme success case this would centralize the Web information and processing through Google. My guess is that Google will Soviet-ize very quickly. I'm rather skeptical of what you're up to. Do you really think this will work? Does it even make sense financially? Technically though, pretty cool initiative, will study it and see what I can learn from it. Regards, Ze Matt, from a birds eye view you are basically paying out for people to store their information and run their apps with you.

In an extreme success case this would centralize the Web information and processing through Google.

My guess is that Google will Soviet-ize very quickly. I’m rather skeptical of what you’re up to. Do you really think this will work? Does it even make sense financially?

Technically though, pretty cool initiative, will study it and see what I can learn from it.

Regards, Ze

]]> By: puzzler http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125704 puzzler Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:47:54 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125704 matt, interesting offer and well positioned against that S3. nonetheless very limited, I second Manuel Lemos: give us PHP and MySQL clusters in the back. Your blog "I’m running at about 500,000 pageviews a month" is just text. We have around 120k pageviews a day, but our customers also host videos or PDFs of 60+ MB on our site. I doubt that the pricing will satisfy a bandwidth hungry bumb like me :-). I would love to move to such a service, but if you really pump 50 MBit/s constantly !?... I have not seen a platform to give all our business to. I would love to see the mantra "the network is the computer" come to reality finally, but I guess Google needs 2 more years to get that AppEngine as flexible as a self-managed server cluster.... just 2 cents matt, interesting offer and well positioned against that S3. nonetheless very limited, I second Manuel Lemos: give us PHP and MySQL clusters in the back.
Your blog “I’m running at about 500,000 pageviews a month” is just text. We have around 120k pageviews a day, but our customers also host videos or PDFs of 60+ MB on our site. I doubt that the pricing will satisfy a bandwidth hungry bumb like me :-). I would love to move to such a service, but if you really pump 50 MBit/s constantly !?... I have not seen a platform to give all our business to. I would love to see the mantra “the network is the computer” come to reality finally, but I guess Google needs 2 more years to get that AppEngine as flexible as a self-managed server cluster.... just 2 cents

]]> By: Matt Cutts http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125664 Matt Cutts Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:34:39 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125664 Sam Daams, looks like Googler responded: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/huddlechat_campfire_rip.php#comment-51349 Sam Daams, looks like Googler responded: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/huddlechat_campfire_rip.php#comment-51349

]]> By: graywolf http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125639 graywolf Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:29:12 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125639 >No need to be cynical You new round these parts? ;-) >No need to be cynical

You new round these parts? ;-)

]]> By: Kevin http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125632 Kevin Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:49:22 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125632 This is a wonderful idea.... unfortunately I not out of first 10,000 developers so waiting for my turn !! This is a wonderful idea.... unfortunately I not out of first 10,000 developers so waiting for my turn !!

]]> By: Hmmm http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125629 Hmmm Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:03:46 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125629 "TOS issues like that and there not being a negative intent there by company X. Normally company X is just trying to make sure that they’re legally covered." Ya, that's kinda what I expect from the lawyers. ;-) I seriously doubt that Google (or any company with a similar web service) would use anything in an ill intended way. If they did, it would simply be suicide for the business, as everyone would cancel their accounts ASAP and migrate everything elsewhere. Adobe's changes to their EULA included a more simplified TOS, which boiled down to a line where the user grants them the right to manipulate data in mission critical ways -- only so far as is required for the App to function properly. I'd expect the same from most any App -- Cloud-based, or otherwise. :-) But worth addressing -- for peace of mind reasons. Cheers! And I'm looking forward to getting my hands dirty with some Engine work soon. :-D “TOS issues like that and there not being a negative intent there by company X. Normally company X is just trying to make sure that they’re legally covered.”

Ya, that’s kinda what I expect from the lawyers. ;-)

I seriously doubt that Google (or any company with a similar web service) would use anything in an ill intended way. If they did, it would simply be suicide for the business, as everyone would cancel their accounts ASAP and migrate everything elsewhere.

Adobe’s changes to their EULA included a more simplified TOS, which boiled down to a line where the user grants them the right to manipulate data in mission critical ways -- only so far as is required for the App to function properly.

I’d expect the same from most any App -- Cloud-based, or otherwise. :-)
But worth addressing -- for peace of mind reasons.

Cheers! And I’m looking forward to getting my hands dirty with some Engine work soon. :-D

]]> By: Matt Cutts http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125628 Matt Cutts Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:37:31 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125628 Hmmm, it seems like there's a long history of people asking about "If I post my content here, does company X own my content" TOS issues like that and there not being a negative intent there by company X. Normally company X is just trying to make sure that they're legally covered. Oliver Taco, the person who originally asked about this, also asked about the Google Docs TOS a couple months ago: http://promote-my-site.com/index.php/141-Google-Docs-Perfectly-Horrible.html and that didn't get much traction. To my (untrained, not a lawyer's) eyes, you're giving Google enough rights to your doc/code so that Google can provide the service you requested. I don't think there's any untoward intent. Hmmm, it seems like there’s a long history of people asking about “If I post my content here, does company X own my content” TOS issues like that and there not being a negative intent there by company X. Normally company X is just trying to make sure that they’re legally covered. Oliver Taco, the person who originally asked about this, also asked about the Google Docs TOS a couple months ago: http://promote-my-site.com/index.php/141-Google-Docs-Perfectly-Horrible.html and that didn’t get much traction. To my (untrained, not a lawyer’s) eyes, you’re giving Google enough rights to your doc/code so that Google can provide the service you requested. I don’t think there’s any untoward intent.

]]> By: Hmmm http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125620 Hmmm Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:14:26 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/google-app-engine-launching-a-startup-gets-even-easier/#comment-125620 @Oliver Taco & Matt Interestingly, Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/376396/adobe-relinquishes-ownership-of-photos-uploaded-to-photoshop-express) and Mashable (http://mashable.com/2008/04/05/photoshop-express-eula-revised/) just reported about a similar EULA from Adobe's Photoshop Express, and how it was just changed. Adobe was recently forced to change/clarify the TOS, to make it a little less harsh on their users. I expect Google will have to make similar changes to the language. Google's current TOS is worded almost identically to the former Adobe one (reproduced in the Mashable article). The lawyers who write these TOS's aren't exactly Techie people, so they're only looking at it as simply a CMA (cover my a**) issue. ;-) Once the dust settles, and more folks take a harder look at the TOS, Google will probably take a more appropriate stance on the IP rights -- just like Adobe did. @Oliver Taco & Matt

Interestingly, Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/376396/adobe-relinquishes-ownership-of-photos-uploaded-to-photoshop-express) and Mashable (http://mashable.com/2008/04/05/photoshop-express-eula-revised/) just reported about a similar EULA from Adobe’s Photoshop Express, and how it was just changed.

Adobe was recently forced to change/clarify the TOS, to make it a little less harsh on their users. I expect Google will have to make similar changes to the language. Google’s current TOS is worded almost identically to the former Adobe one (reproduced in the Mashable article).

The lawyers who write these TOS’s aren’t exactly Techie people, so they’re only looking at it as simply a CMA (cover my a**) issue. ;-)

Once the dust settles, and more folks take a harder look at the TOS, Google will probably take a more appropriate stance on the IP rights -- just like Adobe did.

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