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		<title>By: Thinkbasic</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-90351</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinkbasic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s matt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s matt?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-29714</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2006 19:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, you may remember me as the former owner of www.jeremy.com which you used to contact me about, in the fond hope of buying it.

Interesting that you&#039;re involved in aviation. I too. Check out the www.happiest-flying.blogspot.com blog that I&#039;m stumbling through. And, if you&#039;re ever in Seattle, I&#039;d be happy to take you flying in a Diamond 20, 40, 42 or a Columbia 400 if you&#039;d like, though we&#039;d probably have to throw some cash at the flight school. But, it would be well below market rate.....

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, you may remember me as the former owner of <a href="http://www.jeremy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jeremy.com</a> which you used to contact me about, in the fond hope of buying it.</p>
<p>Interesting that you&#8217;re involved in aviation. I too. Check out the <a href="http://www.happiest-flying.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.happiest-flying.blogspot.com</a> blog that I&#8217;m stumbling through. And, if you&#8217;re ever in Seattle, I&#8217;d be happy to take you flying in a Diamond 20, 40, 42 or a Columbia 400 if you&#8217;d like, though we&#8217;d probably have to throw some cash at the flight school. But, it would be well below market rate&#8230;..</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenius</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-21650</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should write a post and put it on your and jeremy&#039;s blog at the same time and see which one will be marked as original by Yahoo/Google :)

Afraid of results ?????

PS : If you&#039;re gonna do it without manual changes in ranks please :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should write a post and put it on your and jeremy&#8217;s blog at the same time and see which one will be marked as original by Yahoo/Google <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Afraid of results ?????</p>
<p>PS : If you&#8217;re gonna do it without manual changes in ranks please <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hunkins</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-21324</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Hunkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - 

1.  I apologize.  I didn&#039;t mean YOU piss me off, rather the idea in general, but it did look attack-like from my response and that was bad by me.

2.  I also agree with you that V7dotcom is probably inferior to the type of study you suggest.   Interesting though that the V7 listings do appear to be propagating much like &quot;normal&quot; ones.  Google prefers to avoid manual intervention and I&#039;m guessing they&#039;ll avoid it here as well.

Ryan -  Maybe I&#039;m splitting hairs a bit but you are doing what people should NOT do and that&#039;s starting to accept Google&#039;s most restrictive interpretation of their rules as the &quot;correct&quot; one.  In the traditions of early Google I say they/we should use less restrictive  interpretations of the guidelines.  But even with restrictive use I&#039;d say that the V7 contest does meet the criteria you cite above as follows:

Useful - V7 sites are useful to many both as experiments and as a big SEO news item.

Info rich - look at all the listings!   Most have LOTS of relevant, real information about the contest.  Those that do not don&#039;t rank well.  hmmmmmm

Accurately describe your content:  Again, most do this while those like the &quot;hotel&quot; site (hi DaveN) create a fiction and make it clear it&#039;s a fiction. 

The more I watch the contest the more convinced I am it&#039;s fun, educational, and legitimate.   I wish Matt would weigh in but I think he can&#039;t cuz it&#039;s an &quot;Algorithmic item&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; </p>
<p>1.  I apologize.  I didn&#8217;t mean YOU piss me off, rather the idea in general, but it did look attack-like from my response and that was bad by me.</p>
<p>2.  I also agree with you that V7dotcom is probably inferior to the type of study you suggest.   Interesting though that the V7 listings do appear to be propagating much like &#8220;normal&#8221; ones.  Google prefers to avoid manual intervention and I&#8217;m guessing they&#8217;ll avoid it here as well.</p>
<p>Ryan &#8211;  Maybe I&#8217;m splitting hairs a bit but you are doing what people should NOT do and that&#8217;s starting to accept Google&#8217;s most restrictive interpretation of their rules as the &#8220;correct&#8221; one.  In the traditions of early Google I say they/we should use less restrictive  interpretations of the guidelines.  But even with restrictive use I&#8217;d say that the V7 contest does meet the criteria you cite above as follows:</p>
<p>Useful &#8211; V7 sites are useful to many both as experiments and as a big SEO news item.</p>
<p>Info rich &#8211; look at all the listings!   Most have LOTS of relevant, real information about the contest.  Those that do not don&#8217;t rank well.  hmmmmmm</p>
<p>Accurately describe your content:  Again, most do this while those like the &#8220;hotel&#8221; site (hi DaveN) create a fiction and make it clear it&#8217;s a fiction. </p>
<p>The more I watch the contest the more convinced I am it&#8217;s fun, educational, and legitimate.   I wish Matt would weigh in but I think he can&#8217;t cuz it&#8217;s an &#8220;Algorithmic item&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-20669</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; I’m restraining myself from saying how PISSED OFF I get when people suggest that simply trying to figure out Google’s definition of “relevancy” is the province of cheats and liars which it’s NOT.&quot;

Then you have no reason to be pissed off at me.  I wonder how you feel about people putting words into other people&#039;s mouths, though, and deliberately misrepresenting and misconstruing what those other people say.

Nonetheless, the v7ndotcom contest reveals nothing about relevancy, and is little more than a call to spammers to have some fun and earn some money.  Legitimate people may have gotten involved in it, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that the results have been spammed to death (with 6 milllion+ raw hits).

A much more reliable SEO contest would not use the cattle call approach.  It would require independent judging by panels and evaluation of live projects (with full non-disclosure agreements to ensure contestants&#039; contracts were not violated or compromised).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I’m restraining myself from saying how PISSED OFF I get when people suggest that simply trying to figure out Google’s definition of “relevancy” is the province of cheats and liars which it’s NOT.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you have no reason to be pissed off at me.  I wonder how you feel about people putting words into other people&#8217;s mouths, though, and deliberately misrepresenting and misconstruing what those other people say.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, the v7ndotcom contest reveals nothing about relevancy, and is little more than a call to spammers to have some fun and earn some money.  Legitimate people may have gotten involved in it, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the results have been spammed to death (with 6 milllion+ raw hits).</p>
<p>A much more reliable SEO contest would not use the cattle call approach.  It would require independent judging by panels and evaluation of live projects (with full non-disclosure agreements to ensure contestants&#8217; contracts were not violated or compromised).</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-20619</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>within the guidelines?
what about guideline number 3:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Create a useful, information-rich site, and write pages that clearly and accurately describe your content.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

how is a page that ranks for a nonsense term useful or information rich?

Doesn&#039;t information have to involve real words?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>within the guidelines?<br />
what about guideline number 3:</p>
<blockquote><p>Create a useful, information-rich site, and write pages that clearly and accurately describe your content.</p></blockquote>
<p>how is a page that ranks for a nonsense term useful or information rich?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t information have to involve real words?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hunkins</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-20615</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Hunkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael the V7Ndotcom elursrebmem contest is NOT a call only to spammers - it&#039;s a reasonable and fascinating experimental approach to figuring out how ranking works.  I&#039;m restraining myself from saying how PISSED OFF I get when people suggest that simply trying to figure out Google&#039;s definition of &quot;relevancy&quot; is the province of cheats and liars which it&#039;s NOT.   I have huge respect for Matt and his spam team, and for the fact they must deal with a lot of crap, but I&#039;m not going to ignore information about ranking or not run any experiments.  I&#039;m think Matt would agree that ranking experiments that stay within the Google webmaster guidelines are a reasonable use of electrons.  V7N as a *concept* is within the guidelines though I&#039;m sure some people are using spammy methods to rank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael the V7Ndotcom elursrebmem contest is NOT a call only to spammers &#8211; it&#8217;s a reasonable and fascinating experimental approach to figuring out how ranking works.  I&#8217;m restraining myself from saying how PISSED OFF I get when people suggest that simply trying to figure out Google&#8217;s definition of &#8220;relevancy&#8221; is the province of cheats and liars which it&#8217;s NOT.   I have huge respect for Matt and his spam team, and for the fact they must deal with a lot of crap, but I&#8217;m not going to ignore information about ranking or not run any experiments.  I&#8217;m think Matt would agree that ranking experiments that stay within the Google webmaster guidelines are a reasonable use of electrons.  V7N as a *concept* is within the guidelines though I&#8217;m sure some people are using spammy methods to rank.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martinez</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-20614</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Matt is manually reviewing every listing for v7ndotcom elursrebmem to make sure he knows who all the spammers are.

After all, v7ndotcom elursrebmem is a &quot;Come and get it!&quot; call to spammers.  Why not take advantage of their audacity and track them down, one by one.

Maybe John Scott is on Google&#039;s payroll, serving as an industrial spy, enticing the black hats to come out with the v7ndotcom elursrebmem contest so that Google can finally track them all down and nuke them.

Frankly, I&#039;m not entirely sure we can trust Matt to be our advocate at Google any longer.  He may actually be putting their interests first, since he is a stockholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Matt is manually reviewing every listing for v7ndotcom elursrebmem to make sure he knows who all the spammers are.</p>
<p>After all, v7ndotcom elursrebmem is a &#8220;Come and get it!&#8221; call to spammers.  Why not take advantage of their audacity and track them down, one by one.</p>
<p>Maybe John Scott is on Google&#8217;s payroll, serving as an industrial spy, enticing the black hats to come out with the v7ndotcom elursrebmem contest so that Google can finally track them all down and nuke them.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m not entirely sure we can trust Matt to be our advocate at Google any longer.  He may actually be putting their interests first, since he is a stockholder.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Senour</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-20613</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Senour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt&#039;s manually removing every blackhat SEO and their corresponding sites from the Google SERPs.  That has to be it.  (At least it would be cool if it were.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt&#8217;s manually removing every blackhat SEO and their corresponding sites from the Google SERPs.  That has to be it.  (At least it would be cool if it were.)</p>
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		<title>By: GoogleBeta</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/flying-update/#comment-20612</link>
		<dc:creator>GoogleBeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, jokes over.  
Matt, time to come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, jokes over.<br />
Matt, time to come back.</p>
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