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		<title>By: Rosenstand</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-121117</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosenstand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt that you will get any further response her, Preben! Aknowledge your situation as it is now in Denmark. Stay with your printers instead! 

Sorry if this posting seems a little odd, but we have found the identity of &quot;K. Nielsen&quot; and it&#039;s a long and sad story. 

Tomorrow there is a new day :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that you will get any further response her, Preben! Aknowledge your situation as it is now in Denmark. Stay with your printers instead! </p>
<p>Sorry if this posting seems a little odd, but we have found the identity of &#8220;K. Nielsen&#8221; and it&#8217;s a long and sad story. </p>
<p>Tomorrow there is a new day <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: K. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-121114</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. Still no answers. Not worth waiting for. I&#039;m out of here and won&#039;t be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. Still no answers. Not worth waiting for. I&#8217;m out of here and won&#8217;t be back.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120913</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. It doesn&#039;t seems that neither mr. Cutts og mr. deMib want&#039;s to comment on those questions. 

I am a great Google-fan, but it&#039;s very hard for me to understand why one SEO black hat is okay in the eyes of Google, but the other one isn’t. Both mr. deMib and mr. Marcel Fuursted use cloacing and a lot of other dirty tricks to spam Google, resulting in bad search-results.

But apparently the answers to my questions is flowing in the wind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. It doesn&#8217;t seems that neither mr. Cutts og mr. deMib want&#8217;s to comment on those questions. </p>
<p>I am a great Google-fan, but it&#8217;s very hard for me to understand why one SEO black hat is okay in the eyes of Google, but the other one isn’t. Both mr. deMib and mr. Marcel Fuursted use cloacing and a lot of other dirty tricks to spam Google, resulting in bad search-results.</p>
<p>But apparently the answers to my questions is flowing in the wind.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120785</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Cutts - I&#039;m looking forward to hear from you.

The same for you mr. deMib.

K.Nielsen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Cutts &#8211; I&#8217;m looking forward to hear from you.</p>
<p>The same for you mr. deMib.</p>
<p>K.Nielsen</p>
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		<title>By: K. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120528</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. deMib - Am I a liar? Why? Can you please tell me what I&#039;ve said that&#039;s not true???

BTW - You knew Marcel very well before you hired him, and you knew how he is working. He works no different from you. So of course that is not the reason you don&#039;t work with him anymore.

He&#039;s a black hat and so are you. The only difference is that he&#039;s honest about it. 

K. Nielsen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. deMib &#8211; Am I a liar? Why? Can you please tell me what I&#8217;ve said that&#8217;s not true???</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; You knew Marcel very well before you hired him, and you knew how he is working. He works no different from you. So of course that is not the reason you don&#8217;t work with him anymore.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a black hat and so are you. The only difference is that he&#8217;s honest about it. </p>
<p>K. Nielsen</p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel deMib Svendsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120431</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel deMib Svendsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>K. Nielsen, you are a bloody liar!
Why did you not translate THE FIRST PART of the text that clealy states that Marcel no longer have any affiliation with us?

What is your interest in spreading lies?
Trolling Matts Blogg with false information certainly do not earn you a star anywhere. Grow up and act like a man!

Marcel was with us less than a month - then we realized he did not play an honest game with us either. We value honestly greatly and do not work with anyone we cannot trust or that lies to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K. Nielsen, you are a bloody liar!<br />
Why did you not translate THE FIRST PART of the text that clealy states that Marcel no longer have any affiliation with us?</p>
<p>What is your interest in spreading lies?<br />
Trolling Matts Blogg with false information certainly do not earn you a star anywhere. Grow up and act like a man!</p>
<p>Marcel was with us less than a month &#8211; then we realized he did not play an honest game with us either. We value honestly greatly and do not work with anyone we cannot trust or that lies to us.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-119914</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Cutt

Please try take a look at Mr. Mikkel DeMib Svendsen website:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:M6ian9rbCiEJ:www.demib.dk/marcel-fuursted-demib-524.html

It is written by Mr. deMib april 19. 2007. Below is a copy of the first chapter:

&quot;Det er lykkedes, at få lokket Marcel Fuursted over i mit firma deMib.com, hvor han som partner, søgemaskineekspert og salgsleder skal hjælpe med at fortsætte den positive udvikling i virksomheden. Jeg glæder mig meget til at arbejde tættere sammen med Marcel, og jeg er overbevist om at vores kunder vil få store glæde af hans brede erfaring&quot;

It&#039;s written in danish, so I will translate it for you:

&quot;I have managed to get Marcel Fuursted into my company deMib.com, where he as a partner, seo expert and sales manager, will help continuing the positive expansion in my company. I&#039;m looking forward to work closely with Marcel, and I&#039;m convinced that our customers will get great pleasure of his great knowledge&quot;

The person, Marcel Fuursted, that Mr. deMib have &quot;managed to get as a partner&quot;, is the exact same person that owns the Danish cloacing-company. Macel Fuursted is abusing Google’s index by cloaking - and he is deMib&#039;s partner. 

My question to you mr. Cutt is:

How can I trust you and Google when you support mr. deMib? It is well known here in Denmark, that Mr. deMib himself use cloacking.
Why is the one black hat okay and the other one isn&#039;t?

Please be aware that I don&#039;t know any of the persons personally. I don&#039;t prefer any of the two persons. But why do YOU favour Mr. deMib?

Regards

K. Nielsen
Denmark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Cutt</p>
<p>Please try take a look at Mr. Mikkel DeMib Svendsen website:</p>
<p><a href="http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:M6ian9rbCiEJ:www.demib.dk/marcel-fuursted-demib-524.html" rel="nofollow">http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:M6ian9rbCiEJ:www.demib.dk/marcel-fuursted-demib-524.html</a></p>
<p>It is written by Mr. deMib april 19. 2007. Below is a copy of the first chapter:</p>
<p>&#8220;Det er lykkedes, at få lokket Marcel Fuursted over i mit firma deMib.com, hvor han som partner, søgemaskineekspert og salgsleder skal hjælpe med at fortsætte den positive udvikling i virksomheden. Jeg glæder mig meget til at arbejde tættere sammen med Marcel, og jeg er overbevist om at vores kunder vil få store glæde af hans brede erfaring&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s written in danish, so I will translate it for you:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have managed to get Marcel Fuursted into my company deMib.com, where he as a partner, seo expert and sales manager, will help continuing the positive expansion in my company. I&#8217;m looking forward to work closely with Marcel, and I&#8217;m convinced that our customers will get great pleasure of his great knowledge&#8221;</p>
<p>The person, Marcel Fuursted, that Mr. deMib have &#8220;managed to get as a partner&#8221;, is the exact same person that owns the Danish cloacing-company. Macel Fuursted is abusing Google’s index by cloaking &#8211; and he is deMib&#8217;s partner. </p>
<p>My question to you mr. Cutt is:</p>
<p>How can I trust you and Google when you support mr. deMib? It is well known here in Denmark, that Mr. deMib himself use cloacking.<br />
Why is the one black hat okay and the other one isn&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Please be aware that I don&#8217;t know any of the persons personally. I don&#8217;t prefer any of the two persons. But why do YOU favour Mr. deMib?</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>K. Nielsen<br />
Denmark</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Kasteler</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-119020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Kasteler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, pleasure getting to talk to you at Pubcon.

As for my question, would you advise against non-nefarious acts of cloaking such as not serving up session id&#039;s/affiliate urls or even ads to google but do so to users?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, pleasure getting to talk to you at Pubcon.</p>
<p>As for my question, would you advise against non-nefarious acts of cloaking such as not serving up session id&#8217;s/affiliate urls or even ads to google but do so to users?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Low</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-118884</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Henrik,
I wish you and everyone else a merry Christmas. We&#039;ve just donated more than 1,6 mio. Danish kroner to charity - a wonderful feeling and something making a huge difference for the charities that we work with - and the causes they support. That makes it all worthwhile!
Just to clarify: I have not accused Notabene of anything. I do not know if they have used cloaking or not - as I stated we have never condoned or approved any sort of cloaking, but I&#039;m not an expert so I don&#039;t know the methods they are using or have been using. So I&#039;ll not pretend to be an expert about that and won&#039;t accuse others of anything.
My main point was to ensure you and others (which we have also proof of) that we have never and will never approve cloaking - regardless of who we&#039;re working with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Henrik,<br />
I wish you and everyone else a merry Christmas. We&#8217;ve just donated more than 1,6 mio. Danish kroner to charity &#8211; a wonderful feeling and something making a huge difference for the charities that we work with &#8211; and the causes they support. That makes it all worthwhile!<br />
Just to clarify: I have not accused Notabene of anything. I do not know if they have used cloaking or not &#8211; as I stated we have never condoned or approved any sort of cloaking, but I&#8217;m not an expert so I don&#8217;t know the methods they are using or have been using. So I&#8217;ll not pretend to be an expert about that and won&#8217;t accuse others of anything.<br />
My main point was to ensure you and others (which we have also proof of) that we have never and will never approve cloaking &#8211; regardless of who we&#8217;re working with.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik Strobel</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-118881</link>
		<dc:creator>Henrik Strobel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Jonathan. I guess that&#039;s just about it. We can conclude that you have been fooled twice by two different companies that both did cloaking to enhance engodsag.dk in Google and other search engines. I guess you qualify to &quot;Most unfortunate SEO buyer of the year&quot; :-)

It does not look good for the SEO business in Denmark if this is normal practice! Notabene is one of the largest SEO companies in Denmark and now you state that they do cloaking etc. without their customers knowledge and/or accept. That&#039;s not good! Regarding Refocus and Cloaking System: They were just a bunch of idiots that most of us in Denmark concider the &quot;stupid boys&quot;. And they are gone for the moment but back in business in another company as employees. One should better stay clear of their names in the future ;-) 

I&#039;ll note the recipe and send you, Matt and all the readers here my wishes for a merry Christmas and a happy new year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Jonathan. I guess that&#8217;s just about it. We can conclude that you have been fooled twice by two different companies that both did cloaking to enhance engodsag.dk in Google and other search engines. I guess you qualify to &#8220;Most unfortunate SEO buyer of the year&#8221; <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It does not look good for the SEO business in Denmark if this is normal practice! Notabene is one of the largest SEO companies in Denmark and now you state that they do cloaking etc. without their customers knowledge and/or accept. That&#8217;s not good! Regarding Refocus and Cloaking System: They were just a bunch of idiots that most of us in Denmark concider the &#8220;stupid boys&#8221;. And they are gone for the moment but back in business in another company as employees. One should better stay clear of their names in the future <img src='http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll note the recipe and send you, Matt and all the readers here my wishes for a merry Christmas and a happy new year!</p>
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