Comments on: Detecting more “undetectable” webspam http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/ neat fun stuff Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:30:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The White Hatterhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-786445 The White Hatter Tue, 03 May 2011 22:13:42 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-786445 Hi Matt,I found this post while doing cloak detection research on a website that is surely cloaking with what I believe to be undetectable cloaking code.The site is serving Google SER a description that cannot be obtained using readily available SEO analysis tools. And the description that is being fed to Google cannot be seen via View Source."Save Page As" in Firefox and "Save As" in IE do not work either so it must be server side.I have also run the URL through at least a half dozen cloaking detectors and only one picked up anything fishy.Any way to verify if the site is indeed cloaking with proprietary Google tools?The site is: thisplace.comAny insight on this would be great as this site has mysteriously appeared on page one almost overnight.Regards, TWH Hi Matt,

I found this post while doing cloak detection research on a website that is surely cloaking with what I believe to be undetectable cloaking code.

The site is serving Google SER a description that cannot be obtained using readily available SEO analysis tools. And the description that is being fed to Google cannot be seen via View Source.

“Save Page As” in Firefox and “Save As” in IE do not work either so it must be server side.

I have also run the URL through at least a half dozen cloaking detectors and only one picked up anything fishy.

Any way to verify if the site is indeed cloaking with proprietary Google tools?

The site is: thisplace.com

Any insight on this would be great as this site has mysteriously appeared on page one almost overnight.

Regards,
TWH

]]> By: Rosenstandhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-121117 Rosenstand Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:34:15 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-121117 I doubt that you will get any further response her, Preben! Aknowledge your situation as it is now in Denmark. Stay with your printers instead!Sorry if this posting seems a little odd, but we have found the identity of "K. Nielsen" and it's a long and sad story.Tomorrow there is a new day :-) I doubt that you will get any further response her, Preben! Aknowledge your situation as it is now in Denmark. Stay with your printers instead!

Sorry if this posting seems a little odd, but we have found the identity of “K. Nielsen” and it’s a long and sad story.

Tomorrow there is a new day :-)

]]> By: K. Nielsenhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-121114 K. Nielsen Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:37:56 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-121114 Okay. Still no answers. Not worth waiting for. I'm out of here and won't be back. Okay. Still no answers. Not worth waiting for. I’m out of here and won’t be back.

]]> By: K. Nielsenhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120913 K. Nielsen Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:57:23 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120913 Well. It doesn't seems that neither mr. Cutts og mr. deMib want's to comment on those questions.I am a great Google-fan, but it's very hard for me to understand why one SEO black hat is okay in the eyes of Google, but the other one isn’t. Both mr. deMib and mr. Marcel Fuursted use cloacing and a lot of other dirty tricks to spam Google, resulting in bad search-results.But apparently the answers to my questions is flowing in the wind. Well. It doesn’t seems that neither mr. Cutts og mr. deMib want’s to comment on those questions.

I am a great Google-fan, but it’s very hard for me to understand why one SEO black hat is okay in the eyes of Google, but the other one isn’t. Both mr. deMib and mr. Marcel Fuursted use cloacing and a lot of other dirty tricks to spam Google, resulting in bad search-results.

But apparently the answers to my questions is flowing in the wind.

]]> By: K. Nielsenhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120785 K. Nielsen Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:27:47 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120785 Mr Cutts - I'm looking forward to hear from you.The same for you mr. deMib.K.Nielsen Mr Cutts – I’m looking forward to hear from you.

The same for you mr. deMib.

K.Nielsen

]]> By: K. Nielsenhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120528 K. Nielsen Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:16:49 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120528 Mr. deMib - Am I a liar? Why? Can you please tell me what I've said that's not true???BTW - You knew Marcel very well before you hired him, and you knew how he is working. He works no different from you. So of course that is not the reason you don't work with him anymore.He's a black hat and so are you. The only difference is that he's honest about it.K. Nielsen Mr. deMib – Am I a liar? Why? Can you please tell me what I’ve said that’s not true???

BTW – You knew Marcel very well before you hired him, and you knew how he is working. He works no different from you. So of course that is not the reason you don’t work with him anymore.

He’s a black hat and so are you. The only difference is that he’s honest about it.

K. Nielsen

]]> By: Mikkel deMib Svendsenhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120431 Mikkel deMib Svendsen Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:16:00 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-120431 K. Nielsen, you are a bloody liar! Why did you not translate THE FIRST PART of the text that clealy states that Marcel no longer have any affiliation with us?What is your interest in spreading lies? Trolling Matts Blogg with false information certainly do not earn you a star anywhere. Grow up and act like a man!Marcel was with us less than a month - then we realized he did not play an honest game with us either. We value honestly greatly and do not work with anyone we cannot trust or that lies to us. K. Nielsen, you are a bloody liar!
Why did you not translate THE FIRST PART of the text that clealy states that Marcel no longer have any affiliation with us?

What is your interest in spreading lies?
Trolling Matts Blogg with false information certainly do not earn you a star anywhere. Grow up and act like a man!

Marcel was with us less than a month – then we realized he did not play an honest game with us either. We value honestly greatly and do not work with anyone we cannot trust or that lies to us.

]]> By: K. Nielsenhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-119914 K. Nielsen Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:48:55 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-119914 Dear Mr. CuttPlease try take a look at Mr. Mikkel DeMib Svendsen website:http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:M6ian9rbCiEJ:www.demib.dk/marcel-fuursted-demib-524.htmlIt is written by Mr. deMib april 19. 2007. Below is a copy of the first chapter:"Det er lykkedes, at få lokket Marcel Fuursted over i mit firma deMib.com, hvor han som partner, søgemaskineekspert og salgsleder skal hjælpe med at fortsætte den positive udvikling i virksomheden. Jeg glæder mig meget til at arbejde tættere sammen med Marcel, og jeg er overbevist om at vores kunder vil få store glæde af hans brede erfaring"It's written in danish, so I will translate it for you:"I have managed to get Marcel Fuursted into my company deMib.com, where he as a partner, seo expert and sales manager, will help continuing the positive expansion in my company. I'm looking forward to work closely with Marcel, and I'm convinced that our customers will get great pleasure of his great knowledge"The person, Marcel Fuursted, that Mr. deMib have "managed to get as a partner", is the exact same person that owns the Danish cloacing-company. Macel Fuursted is abusing Google’s index by cloaking - and he is deMib's partner.My question to you mr. Cutt is:How can I trust you and Google when you support mr. deMib? It is well known here in Denmark, that Mr. deMib himself use cloacking. Why is the one black hat okay and the other one isn't?Please be aware that I don't know any of the persons personally. I don't prefer any of the two persons. But why do YOU favour Mr. deMib?RegardsK. Nielsen Denmark Dear Mr. Cutt

Please try take a look at Mr. Mikkel DeMib Svendsen website:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:M6ian9rbCiEJ:www.demib.dk/marcel-fuursted-demib-524.html

It is written by Mr. deMib april 19. 2007. Below is a copy of the first chapter:

“Det er lykkedes, at få lokket Marcel Fuursted over i mit firma deMib.com, hvor han som partner, søgemaskineekspert og salgsleder skal hjælpe med at fortsætte den positive udvikling i virksomheden. Jeg glæder mig meget til at arbejde tættere sammen med Marcel, og jeg er overbevist om at vores kunder vil få store glæde af hans brede erfaring”

It’s written in danish, so I will translate it for you:

“I have managed to get Marcel Fuursted into my company deMib.com, where he as a partner, seo expert and sales manager, will help continuing the positive expansion in my company. I’m looking forward to work closely with Marcel, and I’m convinced that our customers will get great pleasure of his great knowledge”

The person, Marcel Fuursted, that Mr. deMib have “managed to get as a partner”, is the exact same person that owns the Danish cloacing-company. Macel Fuursted is abusing Google’s index by cloaking – and he is deMib’s partner.

My question to you mr. Cutt is:

How can I trust you and Google when you support mr. deMib? It is well known here in Denmark, that Mr. deMib himself use cloacking.
Why is the one black hat okay and the other one isn’t?

Please be aware that I don’t know any of the persons personally. I don’t prefer any of the two persons. But why do YOU favour Mr. deMib?

Regards

K. Nielsen
Denmark

]]> By: Jordan Kastelerhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-119020 Jordan Kasteler Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:41:13 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-119020 Matt, pleasure getting to talk to you at Pubcon.As for my question, would you advise against non-nefarious acts of cloaking such as not serving up session id's/affiliate urls or even ads to google but do so to users? Matt, pleasure getting to talk to you at Pubcon.

As for my question, would you advise against non-nefarious acts of cloaking such as not serving up session id’s/affiliate urls or even ads to google but do so to users?

]]> By: Jonathan Lowhttp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-118884 Jonathan Low Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:22:45 +0000 http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/detecting-more-undetectable-webspam/#comment-118884 Hi Henrik, I wish you and everyone else a merry Christmas. We've just donated more than 1,6 mio. Danish kroner to charity - a wonderful feeling and something making a huge difference for the charities that we work with - and the causes they support. That makes it all worthwhile! Just to clarify: I have not accused Notabene of anything. I do not know if they have used cloaking or not - as I stated we have never condoned or approved any sort of cloaking, but I'm not an expert so I don't know the methods they are using or have been using. So I'll not pretend to be an expert about that and won't accuse others of anything. My main point was to ensure you and others (which we have also proof of) that we have never and will never approve cloaking - regardless of who we're working with. Hi Henrik,
I wish you and everyone else a merry Christmas. We’ve just donated more than 1,6 mio. Danish kroner to charity – a wonderful feeling and something making a huge difference for the charities that we work with – and the causes they support. That makes it all worthwhile!
Just to clarify: I have not accused Notabene of anything. I do not know if they have used cloaking or not – as I stated we have never condoned or approved any sort of cloaking, but I’m not an expert so I don’t know the methods they are using or have been using. So I’ll not pretend to be an expert about that and won’t accuse others of anything.
My main point was to ensure you and others (which we have also proof of) that we have never and will never approve cloaking – regardless of who we’re working with.

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