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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-403096</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for clarifying that.  For some weird reasons, webmaster started to use _ for the site urls.  Time to get them changed.  thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for clarifying that.  For some weird reasons, webmaster started to use _ for the site urls.  Time to get them changed.  thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: derek</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-402654</link>
		<dc:creator>derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about url&#039;s that do not have dashes or underscores. Just spaces. Are they penalized or how do crawlers recognize them or how is page rank affected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about url&#8217;s that do not have dashes or underscores. Just spaces. Are they penalized or how do crawlers recognize them or how is page rank affected?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-393531</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wondering if its works for all type of website .... but thanks for useful information</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wondering if its works for all type of website &#8230;. but thanks for useful information</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-389250</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification Matt. It&#039;s always great to get the info direct from someone who works for Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Matt. It&#8217;s always great to get the info direct from someone who works for Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Man_Eating-Banana</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-388407</link>
		<dc:creator>Man_Eating-Banana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 06:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to dash or not to dash this is Esperanto.

Tim Acheson article link has this to say:

&quot;Yet the rules for punctuation in friendly URLs should be a decision made by editorial and/or business people, not technical people.&quot;

and this

&quot;I believe that rogue dashes in URLs are a transient phenomenon. The technology will nature.&quot;

In my view this sounds to me as an issue of backward compatibility.  

If Google evolves to new ways of ranking pages, what about more interesting languages that have the &quot; &#039; &quot; in their words for proper sound and punctuation and meaning.  As in &quot;Metacafe&quot; in spanish this is rather wrong.  It is missing the &quot; &#039; &quot; after cafe.  

It is clear that programmers are taking on a challenge by deciding to rank lower a page title with a dash or not, but I disagree with the use of statements like &quot;rogue dashes&quot;  and I really disagree very much with &quot;rules for punctuation in friendly URLs should be a decision made by editorial and/or business people&quot;.

We are challenging universal nature, by recording it electronically, we are challenging our very universe by curving our existence and creating a new way of communication that is not natural so limiting our search engines to using dashes only or considering that it has not mature because of a dash fault is not helpful.  Rather I like to think of the generosity of programmer when they use backward compatible technology to not leave the previous works in a &quot;dash&quot;.

Cafe&#039; sound about good right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to dash or not to dash this is Esperanto.</p>
<p>Tim Acheson article link has this to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yet the rules for punctuation in friendly URLs should be a decision made by editorial and/or business people, not technical people.&#8221;</p>
<p>and this</p>
<p>&#8220;I believe that rogue dashes in URLs are a transient phenomenon. The technology will nature.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my view this sounds to me as an issue of backward compatibility.  </p>
<p>If Google evolves to new ways of ranking pages, what about more interesting languages that have the &#8221; &#8216; &#8221; in their words for proper sound and punctuation and meaning.  As in &#8220;Metacafe&#8221; in spanish this is rather wrong.  It is missing the &#8221; &#8216; &#8221; after cafe.  </p>
<p>It is clear that programmers are taking on a challenge by deciding to rank lower a page title with a dash or not, but I disagree with the use of statements like &#8220;rogue dashes&#8221;  and I really disagree very much with &#8220;rules for punctuation in friendly URLs should be a decision made by editorial and/or business people&#8221;.</p>
<p>We are challenging universal nature, by recording it electronically, we are challenging our very universe by curving our existence and creating a new way of communication that is not natural so limiting our search engines to using dashes only or considering that it has not mature because of a dash fault is not helpful.  Rather I like to think of the generosity of programmer when they use backward compatible technology to not leave the previous works in a &#8220;dash&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cafe&#8217; sound about good right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Acheson</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-373382</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Acheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have given this a lot of thought over the years, and have reached the conclusion that dashes are not the best delimiter. Furthermore, I believe a consensus will emerge eventually with an alternative character being used universally -- probably the underscore:

http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/aug/friendly_url_should_not_use_dashes_to_represent_spaces</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have given this a lot of thought over the years, and have reached the conclusion that dashes are not the best delimiter. Furthermore, I believe a consensus will emerge eventually with an alternative character being used universally &#8212; probably the underscore:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/aug/friendly_url_should_not_use_dashes_to_represent_spaces" rel="nofollow">http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/aug/friendly_url_should_not_use_dashes_to_represent_spaces</a></p>
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		<title>By: MRSA Treatment</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-369223</link>
		<dc:creator>MRSA Treatment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always preferred hyphens for page names - so it&#039;s good that Google prefers them. I think it&#039;s hard to see underscores, especially when viewed as a hyperlink - they blend in with the link. And thus other people can record your domain name incorrectly.

Goran - I totally agree with you - using hyphenated website names is not easy to get across to someone over the phone. People do not easily understand what a hyphen is. So, this is good to remember when choosing a new domain name.

Thanks for another excellent article Matt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always preferred hyphens for page names &#8211; so it&#8217;s good that Google prefers them. I think it&#8217;s hard to see underscores, especially when viewed as a hyperlink &#8211; they blend in with the link. And thus other people can record your domain name incorrectly.</p>
<p>Goran &#8211; I totally agree with you &#8211; using hyphenated website names is not easy to get across to someone over the phone. People do not easily understand what a hyphen is. So, this is good to remember when choosing a new domain name.</p>
<p>Thanks for another excellent article Matt!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherry</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-363364</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is great information.  But I have a question, do dashes work BETTER than regular strings of words that are not separated?  I mean, can google see the separation there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is great information.  But I have a question, do dashes work BETTER than regular strings of words that are not separated?  I mean, can google see the separation there?</p>
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		<title>By: webtechnepal</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-357226</link>
		<dc:creator>webtechnepal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer dashes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer dashes.</p>
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		<title>By: j0rd</title>
		<link>http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/dashes-vs-underscores/#comment-297796</link>
		<dc:creator>j0rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently re-indexed a PR6 site which gets quite a few hits.

My site structure was using Dashes, but I had a bug in my Apache-Rewrite which allowed these two URLs to link to the same content

One-Two.html
One_Two.html 

While all the links on my site linked to One-Two.html and these got indexed by Google first...but after a recent browse of the stats, I&#039;ve noticed that Google has replaced 90% of my URLs in the index with the improper and not linked to One_Two.html. Weird!

My URLs to make more sense as &quot;One Two&quot; rather than &quot;One + Two&quot; as they&#039;re usually a name with multiple words in it. Maybe google understands this and prefers to joint the words with an underscore because of this, rather than a non-associative joiner like a dash.

I&#039;ve gone ahead and 301&#039;d the _ to - and we&#039;ll see what happens, but I&#039;m almost tempted to keep the _ which google seems to prefer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently re-indexed a PR6 site which gets quite a few hits.</p>
<p>My site structure was using Dashes, but I had a bug in my Apache-Rewrite which allowed these two URLs to link to the same content</p>
<p>One-Two.html<br />
One_Two.html </p>
<p>While all the links on my site linked to One-Two.html and these got indexed by Google first&#8230;but after a recent browse of the stats, I&#8217;ve noticed that Google has replaced 90% of my URLs in the index with the improper and not linked to One_Two.html. Weird!</p>
<p>My URLs to make more sense as &#8220;One Two&#8221; rather than &#8220;One + Two&#8221; as they&#8217;re usually a name with multiple words in it. Maybe google understands this and prefers to joint the words with an underscore because of this, rather than a non-associative joiner like a dash.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve gone ahead and 301&#8242;d the _ to &#8211; and we&#8217;ll see what happens, but I&#8217;m almost tempted to keep the _ which google seems to prefer.</p>
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